Guess who started the Royals' turnaround this year?

[Jimmag]

the whole time I thought it was Scott Downs

[fan_since79]

Wait, you're actually serious?

 

If veteran presence was that valuable, every team would be getting guys like Ibanez to help out. 

 

He didn't help at the plate or in the field, but you can't deny the immediate and extreme turnaround after that meeting.

 

If team meetings were irrelevant, teams would never have them.

 

9-18 before, 19-4 after.

 

I never made any point about his "veteran presence", only that the team caught fire after he called that meeting. It changed the whole tone of their season. Look at what he said to them. They still believe those words, that's why they're playing inspired baseball.

[red321]

Jesus Christ guys if you want to repeat yourselves go and reopen those threads, don't litter more threads, with the bunting or not bunting and the Scioscia is an idiot crap.

 

So, we can't talk about Ned Yost having his number three hitter bunt in the first inning in this thread?

[mtangelsfan]

I don't really see what Jesus Christ has to do with this anyway.  He would have at least gotten a couple of hits with runners on base in the series.

[Brandon]

I get what you're saying: Sosh can't compete with the best team in the league.

I thought what he was saying is that before Sosh the team was so bad they didn't make the playoffs.

Doing numbers are stupid. Include that percentage before Sosh....yeah, doesn't look so sex or relevant, does it?

[Brandon]

I don't really see what Jesus Christ has to do with this anyway. He would have at least gotten a couple of hits with runners on base in the series.

At least if he doesn't come through the go to excuse is He is just testing everyone.

[mtangelsfan]

Exactly B!

[19HALO71]

Actually, I think it was the guy who took the bat out of his 2nd best hitter's hands and had him try to bunt on a 2-0 and 3-1 pitch. Seems like ever since that unbelievable gift, they've been unstoppable.

I would agree if the first amazing catch in right center field didn't happen on the first pitch of the game against the Angels.

[m0nkey]

I don't really see what Jesus Christ has to do with this anyway. He would have at least gotten a couple of hits with runners on base in the series.

Jesus Christ was playing center field for the angels

[Guest]

Jesus Christ was playing center field for the angels

Are you saying that Jesus Christ can't hit a high fastball?

[T.G.]

Jesus Christ guys if you want to repeat yourselves go and reopen those threads, don't litter more threads, with the bunting or not bunting and the Scioscia is an idiot crap.

 

 

some people will stop at nothing to make their point over and over again.

Edited October 16, 2014 by True Grich

[mtangelsfan]

If I were to follow the logic of the argument in the op, Dipoto should be fired for cutting Ibanez.  We would be in the WS if he had stayed on the Angels.

[fan_since79]

If I were to follow the logic of the argument in the op, Dipoto should be fired for cutting Ibanez.  We would be in the WS if he had stayed on the Angels.

 

That doesn't follow logically at all. I never made that assertion or implied it. I just think it's cool that Raul called that meeting and helped them regain their confidence. He was a good presence here in the clubhouse. No complaints about that from me. He just couldn't hit, and we needed production from our DH spot.

[Stradling]

FS79, with all due respect you don't follow logic very often in the main forum, and you certainly don't follow the OP if you feel like you haven't made your point in other threads.

[Brent Maguire]

Every successful team does have players like that.

 

Veteran presence is invaluable for a young team.

 

The Astros kids will need that kind of guidance eventually as well. 

Sure, it has its' value but the point made above was stating that Ibanez's speech was responsible from the team going from a 9-18 stretch to a 19-4 stretch. 

 

People don't think that speech was actually that valuable do they? 

 

For the record, I do think having a veteran presence does help some. Just not as valuable as some make it out to be. 

[Brent Maguire]

He didn't help at the plate or in the field, but you can't deny the immediate and extreme turnaround after that meeting.

 

If team meetings were irrelevant, teams would never have them.

 

9-18 before, 19-4 after.

 

I never made any point about his "veteran presence", only that the team caught fire after he called that meeting. It changed the whole tone of their season. Look at what he said to them. They still believe those words, that's why they're playing inspired baseball.

I'm sure the speech helped a bit. I'm not denying that. 

 

But I'm highly skeptical of saying that was the sole reason for them turning it around. They were very streaky the whole season. 

 

Plus, there's the whole "correlation doesn't imply causation" thing. 

[fan_since79]

FS79, with all due respect you don't follow logic very often in the main forum, and you certainly don't follow the OP if you feel like you haven't made your point in other threads.

 

I often wish I were as smart as you. I'll just have to muddle along with what the good Lord has given me.

[Bruce Nye]

What?  No SOTO post about Scioscia?

 

Shocking.

[Stradling]

I often wish I were as smart as you. I'll just have to muddle along with what the good Lord has given me.

It has nothing to do with smarts and you know it. It has to do with you littering threads with your own doomsday agenda.

[fan_since79]

It has nothing to do with smarts and you know it. It has to do with you littering threads with your own doomsday agenda.

 

The logic, the brilliance!

 

I'm breathless.

[Stradling]

The logic, the brilliance!

I'm breathless.

You're welcome

[Vegas Halo Fan]

I don't really see what Jesus Christ has to do with this anyway.  He would have at least gotten a couple of hits with runners on base in the series.

 

"Are you telling me that Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"

 

- Eddie Harris to Pedro Cerrano, Major League

[Guest]

If I were to follow the logic of the argument in the op, Dipoto should be fired for cutting Ibanez.  We would be in the WS if he had stayed on the Angels.

It could be argued that Dipoto's was forced to cut Ibanez because he had become one of "Scioscia's toys", that is, while he still had value as a veteran clubhouse guy and pinch hitter off the bench, that's not how he was being used in the game.  The fact that he was penciled ionto the cleanup spot in a regular basis ahead of players like Collin Cowgill and Grant Green meant that he was a net negative to the Angels yet still could have proven valuable to the Royals. 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

I can see how a player like Ibanez could have a value to a team that uses him properly. That isn't us. If we have an aging veteran of any kind, he will be in the lineup most every night and in a prominent spot.

[ten ocho recon scout]

I don't really see what Jesus Christ has to do with this anyway. He would have at least gotten a couple of hits with runners on base in the series.

not if they threw him curveballs