Can the ANGELS sweep the major awards?

[TobiasFunke]

Weaver getting the Cy Young over Felix is laughable

[mulwin444]

To do what Sale has done in that ballpark is pretty impressive.  Even with less innings, I still might give him my vote.

 

12 - 3 1.99 ERA   163 IP 2 CG 116 H 34 BB 192 K 0.92 WHIP 195 ERA + (Leads AL)

Edited September 16, 2014 by mulwin444

[Adam]

Sale has been the best pitcher. Felix a close second. Either one of those guys winning would be cool by me.

[laagamer]

Weaver isn't going to be in the top 5 of CY votes.

 

Abreu is a lock for ROY although Shoe will be a solid second

 

This

[Taylor]

He did! It was Bartolo Colon, who I voted for. I look back now and realize I should have voted for someone else. I forget who. Maybe Pedro Martinez?

And there are only 5 spots on the Cy Young ballot.

 

Johan Santana. He "only" had 16 wins, despite leading the league in virtually every other category.

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

The only chance Weaver has a shot is if he gave up no more ER this reg season, throws a no-hitter or perfect game, and Sale and Felix really shit the bed the last 2-3 starts they have.

 

It would have to be blow out city for those two and Weaver to really light it up, like his last performance.   3 starts, 10-12 Ks, no ER, and 3 W.

 

But I still think it goes Felix-Sale or Sale-Felix.

 

Shoe has been awesome, hosed for ROY because of Abreu.

[Spirit]

He did! It was Bartolo Colon, who I voted for. I look back now and realize I should have voted for someone else. I forget who. Maybe Pedro Martinez?

And there are only 5 spots on the Cy Young ballot.

 

 

Jeff - do you give Shoe or Weave one of your 5 votes?

[Adam]

I wonder which 5 pitchers Neyer will be voting for

[floplag]

I wonder which 5 pitchers Neyer will be voting for

the entire As rotation.. even the ones they traded

[bloodbrother]

To do what Sale has done in that ballpark is pretty impressive.  Even with less innings, I still might give him my vote.

 

12 - 3 1.99 ERA   163 IP 2 CG 116 H 34 BB 192 K 0.92 WHIP 195 ERA + (Leads AL)

 

Agreed. He should win it, but I think in the end he'll be penalized for the games missed and the innings gap between him and Felix

 

Sale

Felix

Kluber

 

those should be the top 3. Not much is separating these guys

Edited September 16, 2014 by bloodbrother

[Jay]

Those awards are based on false stats.  So who cares?

Edited September 16, 2014 by Jay

[Jeff Fletcher]

Jeff - do you give Shoe or Weave one of your 5 votes?

I don't have a Cy Young vote this year. I have MVP.

I'd say it would be pretty tough to slip either guy on the top 5 for Cy with Felix, Sale, Lester, Kluber, Iwakuma, etc.

 

EDIT: I'd add that I actually think Cy Young is the easiest of the 3 player awards to vote for. Rookie is tough because you have pitchers and hitters and guys who spent parts of the season up. MVP is tough because you have to figure out how to factor in defense and baserunning as well as figure out what "valuable" means. (I happen to think it means "best," but a lot of people don't.)

 

Cy Young, on the other hand, is relatively easy: Who's the best pitcher? And there are plenty of good numbers for evaluating pitching. I happen to think ERA+ is a pretty good, quick and dirty, way to stack them up.

 

<PRE>                          

Rk               Name ERA+

1          ChrisSale*  195

2      FelixHernandez  172

3          JonLester*  157

4         CoreyKluber  150

5     GarrettRichards  138

6      DallasKeuchel*  131

7        JamesShields  127

8        RickPorcello  124

9         MaxScherzer  123

10     YordanoVentura  122

11         DrewSmyly*  121

12      JoseQuintana*  118

13          SonnyGray  117

14        DavidPrice*  117

15       JasonVargas*  117

16       ChrisTillman  116

17       MarkBuehrle*  115

18       ScottKazmir*  112

19         PhilHughes  111

20         ChrisYoung  111

21     HisashiIwakuma  108

22       Wei-YinChen*  106

23        ChrisArcher  105

24        JeredWeaver  103

25         R.A.Dickey  102

26          BudNorris  102

27       HirokiKuroda  101

     LgAvg per 180 IP  100

28       ScottFeldman   99

29       RoenisElias*   97

30      JeremyGuthrie   92

 

Edited September 16, 2014 by Jeff Fletcher

[Angelsjunky]

<More derision towards the OP for having a 20th century view on awards and statistics/>

[Angelsjunky]

On the other hand, it would be truly entertaining to see the apoplexy on Fangraphs if Weaver somehow managed to win the award.

[tdawg87]

<More derision towards the OP for having a 20th century view on awards and statistics/>

 

Well, I mean, Weaver has absolutely 0 chance at winning the Cy Young award. I'd say he has 0 chance of even finishing in the top 5. Maybe 10-15 years ago he would have gotten some votes. Even if we use other "outdated" stats, he's not even in the top 10. 21st in ERA, 17th in WHIP, 17th in K's. 20th in WAR (lol). 23rd in K/BB ratio. 23rd in K/9. He's 7th in IP and 1st in Wins. That's it. The derision is kind of warranted.

[QuinlansMinion]

Trout could sweep a certain set of awards.  AL MVP ASG MVP and WS MVP.

[Angelsjunky]

Well, I mean, Weaver has absolutely 0 chance at winning the Cy Young award. I'd say he has 0 chance of even finishing in the top 5. Maybe 10-15 years ago he would have gotten some votes. Even if we use other "outdated" stats, he's not even in the top 10. 21st in ERA, 17th in WHIP, 17th in K's. 20th in WAR (lol). 23rd in K/BB ratio. 23rd in K/9. He's 7th in IP and 1st in Wins. That's it. The derision is kind of warranted.

 

Yeah, I get it. I'm just bitter because I wanted to deride him but didn't get a chance until there was already a pile-up, which I find to be in poor taste.

 

On a side note, I do think there is more than a 0% chance that he's in the top 5 because some of the voters are still living in the past and 18-19 wins is still sexy in their minds. But I totally agree - Jered isn't even a top 10 AL pitcher at this point, maybe top 20.

[Angelsjunky]

Trout will almost certainly win the AL MVP. ROY will be Abreu and CY will be Fernandez, although Kluber is perhaps equally worthy (remember when people freaked out when the rumor was floated last year of a Trumbo-Kluber trade?).