.284

[Angels]

Whether he was or wasn't is irrelevant. Offense was prevalent back then. Nowadays, not so much. You can't compare different eras and environments without context. It doesn't work like that.

There are only 10 players (minimum 400 PAs) this year with an OPS over .880. In 2004 (minimum 400 PAs)? 40 players.

It's not the same.

Edited September 6, 2014 by Angels

[Ohtaniland]

Whether he was or wasn't is irrelevant. Offense was prevalent back then. Nowadays, not so much. You can't compare different eras and environments without context. It doesn't work like that.

There are only 10 players (minimum 400 PAs) this year with an OPS over .880. In 2004 (minimum 400 PAs)? 40 players.

It's not the same.

 

So what era was Miguel Cabrera playing in last season when he hit .348 / 44hrs / 137rbi's / 1.078ops? My point is that the MVP award will be watered down this season.

[Angels]

So what are you saying? Trout isn't really deserving this year because last year a few MVP candidates had better years?

[Ohtaniland]

So what are you saying? Trout isn't really deserving this year because last year a few MVP candidates had better years?

 

Trout had better seasons in 2012 and 2013. But the season is not over.

[Angels]

Agreed. One can argue that he was far and away the best player in baseball back then. As in not even close.

This year, not so much. But I still don't see anyone more deserving (at the moment) of the MVP than Trout. And even with his numbers down across the board, he's still arguably having the best overall season in baseball (compared with position players).

Edited September 6, 2014 by Angels

[Mad5577]

The key here is his steal numbers , if he had stole 33 bases this year, nobody would say a word about his MVP, and his war will be high up there

[Ohtaniland]

Agreed. One can argue that he was far and away the best player in baseball back then. As in not even close.

This year, not so much. But I still don't see anyone more deserving (at the moment) of the MVP than Trout. And even with his numbers down across the board, he's still arguably having the best overall season in baseball (compared with position players).

 

After watching Miggy hit last two seasons it's very difficult to say that Trout is having a monster MVP type season this year. Like I said, the season is not over.

[mulwin444]

How's Miggy doing this season?

Edited September 6, 2014 by mulwin444

[Ohtaniland]

How's Miggy doing this season?

 

Much better than Pujols.

[Halos of Anaheim]

Trout is leading the AL in RBI's hitting in the motherf*cking 2 hole. He has more RBI's than guys hitting 3rd/4th..that is insane.

 

Is he still considered the most clutch player in baseball by sabermetrics?

[arch stanton]

When your 9th place hitter has a .380 OBP is hitting 2nd so much worse than hitting 3rd?

[Halos of Anaheim]

When your 9th place hitter has a .380 OBP is hitting 2nd so much worse than hitting 3rd?

Yes, how many times does Trout really come up with Iannetta on base?

[ABC]

Much better than Pujols.

 

You must be a joy to be around in person. Grass is always greener based on your posts over the past couple of years. Cheer up. 

[Blarg]

How's Miggy doing this season?

 

Actually? Not that bad or that far off from Trout except for the home run numbers. This a real down year for him and yet he is one good month of September from catching Trout in OPS and RBI. Neither player right now is really putting in an MVP season compared to previous seasons, neither are leading the AL in the basic offensive categories.

 

Cabrera .308/.369/.502/.870 HR19 RBI 94

 

Trout  .286/.369/.550/.919 HR 31 RBI 100

 

Meanwhile Victor Martinez is plunking along putting up good numbers (.332/.404/.568/.972) and being ignored.

[Blarg]

Oh, sorry, Trout has one more RBI than Abreu so he has one star to his offense slash line but RBI's, as we all know, is a false stat.

Edited September 6, 2014 by Eric Notti

[mulwin444]

VMart is a DH...at least Miggy tries to play 3B

[ten ocho recon scout]

A-Rod 2003: 151 wRC+

Trout 2014: 161 wRC+

A-Rod only had two seasons where he had a wRC+ of 161 or higher (2005 and 2007)

When are people going to realize that offense is much, much harder to come by nowadays?

This

I love me some altuve. Guys like him are a lot of fun to watch (when hes not doing it to us). But hes got no power. Not daying he needs it...but if the argument is he has trout beat because of his average....

Abreu? Dudes a beast. But aside from aberage theyve (he and trout) have been about the same. Factor in trout isnt a DH, but plays one of the more important positions (and can run).....

Seriously, yes trouts struggled with contact this year....thats it. Everything else has been right where its always been (except sb's obviously). But no one else is blowing him away without flaws of their own....

[ten ocho recon scout]

Here, for those still missing the point about different eras.....look at pitchers

How many guys are toting an era in the 2's these days? How many in the low 3's? 5,6,7 years ago, a low 3's era was a stud.....a high 2's is kershaw now

[floplag]

.607  Team winning percentage.
im a lot more worried about that number than any one player on it... even Trout.
i love that this team is doing what its doing with him being human, Hamilton being a ghost, and most of the so-called power bats being less than powerful.
If any of those guys gets hot this team goes from strong to scary in a hurry.

[Inside Pitch]

Much better than Pujols.

 

Based on OPS+, the gap between Pujols (124) and Cabrera (138), is smaller than the gap between Miggy and Trout (161).   Meanwhile Abreu leads the AL at 175.