Ferguson Unrest

[Lou]

They're not the same?

[Blarg]

The colors are the same, the participants are not.

[Tank]

I just got back from Ferguson because I wanted to show my support but when I ran in the PGA Superstore all that was left was a Odyssey 3-ball putter and a Yonex graphite driver.  

 

you were lucky to get out of there as quickly as you did. those yonex drivers really blow.

[gotbeer]

St. Louis Medical Examiner SLAMS Brown Family Hire

[LBHalos17]

Allegedly. Could very well be true or it could be BS. I want to see if the autopsy reveals if he was on anything.

Does that change his size?  Wow...

[LBHalos17]

This is a perfect case of why I always say, wait for the investigation to complete before rushing to judgement..

 

That said however, The Officer may not have known, but Big Mike knew that he was a robbing-thug when he met the Officer.  I agree; it's time that folks take back responsibility for all their actions and raising their kids right.

[InsideThePark]

Does that change his size?  Wow...

Huh? I'm not sure why you brought up his size but I think you missed the point. We still don't know whether or not he charged at him. We may never know.

[LBHalos17]

I brought up big mike's size, because you don't understand how fighting in Law Enforcement works..  There are two reasons why suspects fight with us-

 

1.  Escape.  Sometimes that's fine and dandy for a low-level offender or named suspect to get away, because they will be caught later, and don't pose much risk to the public  If it is a violent criminal trying to escape in order to continue with his/her violence, then we have a duty to stop them.  This is called a substantial risk.  For example, I might shoot an un-armed suspect covered in blood who is not following my directions and preventing me from rendering aid to injured victims (probably not if I had back-up/K9 onscene).

 

2.  To kill an Officer.  Most times it's easy to realize which suspect we're dealing with, but when you know someone is trying to kill you it's the fight of your life.  This suspect is an imminent threat to the Officer, and anyone who gets in his/her way (public- carjacking, home-invasion, etc.)

 

I talk about big mike's size, because Officers are allowed to meet the threat of force with reasonable force.  When I'm confronted by an MMA fighter who takes a fighting stance, I'm not going to try to wrestle with him/her.  If I'm alone, I won't even try to use my flashlight or baton because they are trained to take a lot of damage.  I might try to use my taser, but would probably hold him/her at gunpoint while directing him/her to prone-out on the ground.  We use loud directions, explaining that we think they are trained fighters so everyone can hear.

[InsideThePark]

Holy crap, that sounds just as ridiculous as the Mike Brown supporters who are positive he did nothing wrong. His size will have no revelance in a court of law if the jury thinks he wasn't charging the officer unlike what the officer reportedly claimed.

Edited August 26, 2014 by InsideThePark

[sneaky_flute]

Civilians are also allowed to defend themselves against unreasonable force from officers. 

[Jay]

http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/25/area-residents-take-streets-ferguson-reason-think/

 

Area Residents Take to the Streets of Ferguson. But Not for the Reason You Think.

 

St. Louis County residents who wanted their voices to be heard decided to show up in Ferguson, Mo. Their goal: To give some much-needed business to shops damaged by vandals and looters.

[Blarg]

Meddling tea partiers up to no good supporting shop keepers that obviously caused this problem in the first place.

That's sarcasm sheeple.

[Tank]

i always wonder in these situations how many of the protestors/looters just showed up from somewhere else to take advantage of the anger in ferguson.

[Blarg]

Taylor's Facebook page had a post, "All my family has turned and snitched on me. I'll die before I go do a lot of time in a cell."

 

Challenge accepted.

[Tank]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/

 

Oops.

 

so jesse and al won't be going to salt lake city? unbelievable.

[Ray McKigney]

There are two Supreme Court decisions, Tennessee v. Garner and Graham v. Connor, that establish a foundation for dictating when use of deadly force by police officers is reasonable. Under law, police officers are permitted to shoot under two circumstances. The first is to protect their life or the life of another innocent party—this is sometimes referred to as the “defense-of-life” standard. The second circumstance is to prevent a suspect from escaping, but only in circumstances in which the police officer has probable cause to believe the suspect has committed a serious violent felony. Basically both legal standards, defense-of-life and fleeing a violent felony, dictate that it does not matter if there is an actual threat when force is used. The officer must only have an "objectively reasonable" belief that there is a threat.

[Don]

There are two Supreme Court decisions, Tennessee v. Garner and Graham v. Connor, that establish a foundation for dictating when use of deadly force by police officers is reasonable. Under law, police officers are permitted to shoot under two circumstances. The first is to protect their life or the life of another innocent party—this is sometimes referred to as the “defense-of-life” standard. The second circumstance is to prevent a suspect from escaping, but only in circumstances in which the police officer has probable cause to believe the suspect has committed a serious violent felony. Basically both legal standards, defense-of-life and fleeing a violent felony, dictate that it does not matter if there is an actual threat when force is used. The officer must only have an "objectively reasonable" belief that there is a threat.

There was a perfect example of the "objectively reasonable" standard here in Omaha last night. The police shot a person holding up a Wendy's with an Airsoft gun. Those things look pretty realistic, so it seems that the cops acted perfectly reasonably.

[Blarg]

Oh boy, not the Airsoft debate again.

[Tank]

when airsoft rifles are criminalized, only criminals will have airsoft rifles.

[Don]

The police actually showed a picture of the Airsoft pistol next to a Taurus pistol. Looked nearly identical. It'd be impossible to tell the difference from more than a few feet away. And considering the guy was pointing it directly at a cashier, I'd call it a good shoot on the part of the Omaha PD. The sad part is that they were actually filming an episode of Cops and one of the audio guys was killed. Just a terrible accident.

[HaloMagic]

The police actually showed a picture of the Airsoft pistol next to a Taurus pistol. Looked nearly identical. It'd be impossible to tell the difference from more than a few feet away. And considering the guy was pointing it directly at a cashier, I'd call it a good shoot on the part of the Omaha PD. The sad part is that they were actually filming an episode of Cops and one of the audio guys was killed. Just a terrible accident.

I'm guessing it wasn't the airsoft guy that killed him.

[InsideThePark]

A couple of whities at the scene say he had his hands up.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/index.html?c=mobile-homepage-t

[gotbeer]

Autopsy of slain Missouri teen shows close-range gunshot: report

 

If the shot don't fit, you must aquit.

[m0nkey]

There was this awesomeness from a couple weeks ago

 

http://deadspin.com/cardinals-fans-get-ugly-in-clash-with-ferguson-proteste-1643282285

[Lhalo]

lulz