Judgement Day for Wilson

[John Smith]

Bill Shaikin ‏@BillShaikin 

Wade LeBlanc, cited by Angels GM Jerry Dipoto as next starter in case of need: 3.2 IP, 5 R, 8 H, 5 BB at AAA tonight.

[HaloNation]

Str8 shit

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Edited August 8, 2014 by HaloNation

[The God of Runs]

Fact: pitchers don't win unless their offense scores some runs

[Erstad Grit]

Fact: pitchers don't win unless their offense scores some runs

 

Fact: CJ still sucks, dude it's not like he is a hard luck loser

[LAAFANofLA]

I thought the thing involving his hip that threw his pitches off was fixed. Silly me

 

No. The hip thing was fixed, and now CJ is getting really good angles with his camera again.

[SoCALkid]

CJ's career as a SP seems to be done. After the reg season I think he'd make a good lefty specialist.

[ten ocho recon scout]

To be fair (and im not a fan of him), angels hot shut down hard by ryu and haren. Ch didnt take care of business....but he was just trying to fit in...

[UndertheHalo]

disappointing.

[fan_since79]

My prediction is this season goes to waste on account of CJ Wilson in the rotation.  As I pointed out five days ago, he doesn't have bad starts, he has bad months. 

 

He's too streaky to be dependable when it matters most, i.e. right now.   

 

It looks like he's going to have a bad three months if management doesn't pull the plug soon.

[Butcher'd]

What options do we have right now with this guy?

 

Bullpen? Eat the contract? (Not happening)

 

Disabled list already happened.

 

 

Dude still has 2 more years left on his contract and is almost 34 years old. If he doesn't figure it out very soon it's going to get ugly with this guy. There's no way you can keep him in the rotation over Santiago/Shoemaker/Skaggs.

 

At the end of the year, JD has to consider eating some money on the contract in order to move him. He's only going down hill it seems like. 

[Mark68]

I think that when (if) Skaggs returns from the DL, CJ goes back on the DL for some nebulous "back injury".

 

That will be code for "Drain bamage".

[fan_since79]

When Skaggs returns, they need to pull the plug on Wilson for the rest of 2014.

 

Long relief in the back of the bullpen, where he can do little damage.

[tennischmp]

If you think Wilson is going anywhere, you haven't been following Scioscia too closely. Dude makes 16.5 million and pitched well in the past. He will be starting until the season ends.

[mp170.6]

CJ has to be one of the most overrated pitchers in the last few years.

 

There's no middle ground with that guy.  He's either lights out for months, or he completely sucks for months.  He's not dependable enough to be considered an ace, or a No. 2, even when he's pitching well.  Don't be fooled by his numbers in years past. 

[fan_since79]

What options do we have right now with this guy?

 

Bullpen? Eat the contract? (Not happening)

 

Disabled list already happened.

 

 

Dude still has 2 more years left on his contract and is almost 34 years old. If he doesn't figure it out very soon it's going to get ugly with this guy. There's no way you can keep him in the rotation over Santiago/Shoemaker/Skaggs.

 

At the end of the year, JD has to consider eating some money on the contract in order to move him. He's only going down hill it seems like. 

 

I could hardly understand his interview after last night's game. He was all over the place talking very fast. I think his problem is he thinks too much and over-analyzes everything. It was so complicated, long and incoherent descriptions of curveballs, location, spotting the ball on the corner, off the plate, etc etc etc. He jumped quickly from one point to another, and didn't really have any conclusions.

 

Throw strikes, dammit! That's what Ryu did all night.

Edited August 8, 2014 by fan_since79

[Angel Oracle]

Someone needs to make him channel his inner Nuke LaLoosh, and just pitch the d_mn baseball without making it a thesis!!!! 

[zenmaster]

Let's trade him to the A's. That would end well. Maybe we can get Sam Fuld?

[ukyah]

Don't be fooled by his numbers in years past. 

 

 

this is hilarious. talk about bandwagoning. don't be fooled by his previous success.

 

any rational person knows who cj is as a pitcher. he's not pitching well enough right now, and he's been bad in the past, but he's been the angels most reliable starter for the term of his contract. he's an above avg. pitcher, who disappears and frustrates sometimes. you guys are going off the deep end, which is understandable, because the division/playoffs are on the line. 

 

we need cj to get back to being really good again. he may be dl'ed, but he's not being released. we don't have anybody else to start for him. we're gonna ride or die with him. get used to the idea.

Edited August 8, 2014 by ukyah

[Stradling]

I could hardly understand his interview after last night's game. He was all over the place talking very fast. I think his problem is he thinks too much and over-analyzes everything. It was so complicated, long and incoherent descriptions of curveballs, location, spotting the ball on the corner, off the plate, etc etc etc. He jumped quickly from one point to another, and didn't really have any conclusions.

Throw strikes, dammit! That's what Ryu did all night.

If he had conclusions he'd have the solution.

[Troll Daddy]

I think the Angels will keep CJ in the rotation all the way till season end ... it's the right thing to do unless he's injured.

 

 

 

I could be wrong.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Thing Is, he wasnt 'horrible' yesterday, just wasnt any good. But the reality is even if he was great, the offense got shut down hard. 1 run over 18 innings? Ryu is good, not that good. Haren has been trash, as bad as wilson lately.

Credit the dogs pitching, but the offense is still to blame

[mp170.6]

this is hilarious. talk about bandwagoning. don't be fooled by his previous success.

 

any rational person knows who cj is as a pitcher. he's not pitching well enough right now, and he's been bad in the past, but he's been the angels most reliable starter for the term of his contract. he's an above avg. pitcher, who disappears and frustrates sometimes. you guys are going off the deep end, which is understandable, because the division/playoffs are on the line. 

 

we need cj to get back to being really good again. he may be dl'ed, but he's not being released. we don't have anybody else to start for him. we're gonna ride or die with him. get used to the idea.

 

Why is it so hilarious?

 

1. When somebody like CJ pitches lights out for months, he can still suck for months and have respectable ERA and win/loss numbers.

2. CJ still strikes out lots of batters when he sucks.

3. CJ doesn't snap out of funks very fast; it takes a long time to regain his form.

4. CJ doesn't pitch efficiently when he sucks, but last night was an improvement in the right direction.  The start before that was an embarrassment though...he lasted 1.1+ innings and needed 50 pitches.

 

That's why he isn't an ace.  Besides not being dependable, he drags the team down with him whenever he sucks. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

Serious question, whats everyones take on CJ? Is he hurt? Is it mental? Is his stuff falling apart?

[fan_since79]

Serious question, whats everyones take on CJ? Is he hurt? Is it mental? Is his stuff falling apart?

 

Listening to him postgame last night, and trying mightily to understand him (he talks very fast and jumps mid-sentence to a different subject), I think he's a bit manic. So to answer your question, mental.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Which is kind of weird to me. He comes off (from interviews and quotes) almost cocky and arrogant. Its weird to think he would have confidance problems

Weaver has seen his fastball erode and still has a middle finger attitude. A guy like grienke has documented mental health issues, but seems super confidant. Arod had all the talent in the world but was beyond wrapped up in his image, etc

Someone needs to dlap him and tell him to snap out of it