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Hundreds of illegal immigrants shipped to Murrieta


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Sorry, I took your comment, "Again, the pertinent question: how many thousands/millions more can we handle right now, when we can't even provide jobs to our own citizens?" and figured you want to close the borders. You don't want the borders closed?

 

I want the thing regulated to allow a certain number to come in, and no more.

 

My brother married a woman who was born in Mexico. She wasn't here legally when they got married. She eventually applied for residency and had to actually go back and live in Mexico for a time. My brother spent several thousand dollars in legal fees and other assessments.

She is now a proud citizen of our great country.

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You make it sound like guarding the almost 2000 miles of continuous border is a simple matter of will. 

 

Hardly.  I'm pointing out that the feds do a piss poor job of it and everyone knows it, including the feds.  Not only is it a liability in regards to people coming here illegally it's a national security risk.  With technology they could do a better job than they do but like everything of course it won't be perfect.  It's a joke that the feds fail miserably, the states get saddled with the costs associated with illegal immigrants then the feds step in when states try to take action.  

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I want the thing regulated to allow a certain number to come in, and no more.

 

My brother married a woman who was born in Mexico. She wasn't here legally when they got married. She eventually applied for residency and had to actually go back and live in Mexico for a time. My brother spent several thousand dollars in legal fees and other assessments.

She is now a proud citizen of our great country.

 

So you're saying your sister-in-law is an Anchor Wife?

 

(I'm kidding)

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I want the thing regulated to allow a certain number to come in, and no more.

 

My brother married a woman who was born in Mexico. She wasn't here legally when they got married. She eventually applied for residency and had to actually go back and live in Mexico for a time. My brother spent several thousand dollars in legal fees and other assessments.

She is now a proud citizen of our great country.

 

Problem is it shouldn't be that difficult.  Nobody is working on any kind of realistic plan of how people can legally get into this country. 

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Times have changed a lot since 1883 as have the countries immigration policies and for good reason.  My oldest recorded ancestor on my mom's side of the family came before the revolutionary war and was actually a part of it losing a hand.  My dad's side of the family came here legally 50 years ago by going through the immigration process and had they not been able to they would have ended up likely in Australia because they wouldn't have come here illegally.  I don't blame people that want to come here but our tax system and social programs have changed a lot and we can't afford to support the lowest of the low who are told to come here by their own politicians.

One must remember that's it's a two (or more) sided process though. I used to rent a studio in Redlands from a Romanian dude. One of the best people I've ever met. He explained his process of immigration to me and it was crazy. He had to save for years in order to bribe the proper people in Romania to get nominated for immigration to Germany. He worked there for a while and entered himself into a lottery for immigration to the US. He said it was about a one in ten chance yearly, and he got accepted after three years. He's now a home owner, a business owner, and he speaks better English than 90% of the Americans I know. My point in this: for a hard working, single guy, it's a multi-year process requiring bribery and luck to make it here legally. For desperate families, I'm not sure they'd all have the necessary patience or means.

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Another part of the illegal immigration problem that cannot be stopped easily is the fact that someone foreign can get some sort of visa to enter the country legally for work or school or tourism but then never leave. A fence doesn't do anything about that.

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We have smart people and yet we're trillions in debt and have a lot of people who can't find jobs or full time jobs while wages are stagnant.  The U-3 unemployment number has looked better but U-6 is still over 12%.  The problem is that our smart people either aren't the one's making decisions or they're influenced by money.

The problems you mentioned aren't caused, nor are exacerbated, by immigration laws or immigrants

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Immigrants were coming in by the thousands every month back then pretty much all from Europe so having Ellis Island in New York made sense.

 

We know immigrants are (trying to) comming here by the thousands from Mexico/Central/South America. If we actually cared about our original immigration principles why don't we attempt to have an Ellis Island type facility somewhere near the border so we gave give people a chance to come here legally?

 

Why do we have to?  How does that excuse them from not folloiwng our immigration law just because we dont havea modern day ellis?

I mean the point may be valid but it doesnt excuse the actions.

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Eliminate all public services and open the borders.

 

Next issue?

 

you always mention this because of your libertarian views. I'm curious . . . how do libertarians suggest the US deal with the thousands and ten thousands of new people who come to live and work here? what to do about housing them? what to do if any of them are criminals? what to do is any of them are terrorists? i don't know the libertarians viewpoint on any of this and am interested in hearing about it.

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I would prefer to attack the root of the problem and do something to compel the privileged ruling classes of these dirt poor countries to take care of their people or become the first casualties of the "Latino Summer". Their free ride has gone on long enough.

 

absolutely agree. i'm guessing, however, they may see it as a chance to rid themselves of problems at home by allowing them to come up here.

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I read somewhere that illegal immigrants cost the US $100 Billion annually.  That's $100,000,000,000. 

 

Since the money is almost completely wasted, wouldn't it be better to spend it fixing what causes Mexicans to come here illegally in the first place?  Illegal immigration is not the problem, it's a symptom of a much bigger problem.  Life in Mexico sucks.  There's poverty, unemployment, crime, poor infrastructure, etc, etc.  They come here to get away from that.  I'm not advocating socialism or long-term foreign aid, but as long as the US is wasting billions and billions every year, why not spend the money helping Mexico to (1) educate their people, (2) fix their awful streets, highways, and railroads, (3) create new industries and jobs, (4) make Mexico a more desirable (or at least tolerable) place to live.  That kind of investment would at least have some long-term benefit compared to the way our tax dollars currently get flushed down the toilet.

 

Mexicans will continue coming here illegally until they have comparable opportunities on their home land -- no border fence or tougher enforcement will ever fix the problem. 

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A) terrible idea

 

B) I'd like to see your sources for that information

 

C) even if it were true, it completely ignores the contribution to the economy that immigrants make by working jobs, buying goods, paying for housing etc

 

Why is it a terrible idea?  Explain.  Since most illegals come here legally but overstay on their VISA's, how else will they be enticed to return home if living conditions in Mexico are terrible?

 

Google the words cost of illegal immigration in US.  Several sources to choose from.  A couple even put the number at $113 Billion in 2010. 

 

Do you have a dollar amount for how much illegal immigrants contribute to the US economy?  I have no idea. 

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you always mention this because of your libertarian views. I'm curious . . . how do libertarians suggest the US deal with the thousands and ten thousands of new people who come to live and work here? what to do about housing them? what to do if any of them are criminals? what to do is any of them are terrorists? i don't know the libertarians viewpoint on any of this and am interested in hearing about it.

I was trolling, Tank. You could not apply a libertarian policy toward one issue.

I don't believe they come here for welfare or services. We just give them. They come here for opportunity. The free market will determine how many people are needed to support an economy. They will only come if the market will support them.

More working members of society will require more housing, Boom! Economic stimulus.

They would be subject to the laws of our land. Arrest criminals. I think we can prevent terrorists from entering.

http://mises.org/daily/6543/Free-Immigrants-Free-Capital-Free-Markets

Here is a good article on mises. They have a lot of good stuff

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As a resident of Murrieta, I am disgusted by some

Of the actions and comments I've heard throughout the city. I'm all for legalizing the right way (my entire mother's side did it), but a great portion of these people being shipped are young children separated from their families. They're still human beings.

Some of the comments this morning I heard in Starbucks made me legitametly angry. I called one of my customers out on it this morning and she had no other answer other than, "they take out jobs." I told her if you're not qualified over a 7 year old for a job, you don't deserve to be working"

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As a resident of Murrieta, I am disgusted by some

Of the actions and comments I've heard throughout the city. I'm all for legalizing the right way (my entire mother's side did it), but a great portion of these people being shipped are young children separated from their families. They're still human beings.

Some of the comments this morning I heard in Starbucks made me legitametly angry. I called one of my customers out on it this morning and she had no other answer other than, "they take out jobs." I told her if you're not qualified over a 7 year old for a job, you don't deserve to be working"

 

Apparently the citizens of Murrieta are cool with it, so, enjoy!

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