Hundreds of illegal immigrants shipped to Murrieta

[TobiasFunke]

The issue isn't where they take the money from it's whether or not they actually address the problems so he isn't asking for another 5B in a few months when thousands more show up at the border.  

I think that's everyone's issue

[DowningRules]

I think that's everyone's issue

 

Not really.  Those who want amnesty and/or open borders don't consider the financial implications of what illegal aliens cost this country, this state.  To them, there's a bottomless pit of money to throw at the problem, and if there is a so called budget short fall, well, more taxes for everyone.

 

Even Obama seems to think there's a bottomless pit of money.  How else to explain his $2 billion request jumping to $3.7 billion in a matter of hours?

[TobiasFunke]

I meant everyone as in this thread

[Adam]

I'm an open the borders guy

[Lhalo]

I'm an open the borders guy

 

I want the borders protected but I want the process to immigrate legally to this country streamlined. These people are going to make it in no matter what. If they're going to be here, I want them paying taxes.

[floplag]

the problem isnt the system, its the load.

the system works just fine as it did for my grandfather as it likely did most of yours, but it was not, nor is any other countries, designed to accommodate millions simultaneously.

There is no system thats going to stop the flow as long as the rewards outweigh the ricks, until someone in Washington has the balls to address that, this isnt going away.

And i might add that in my opinion amnesty is the worst answer ever to that problem, its like abolishing prisons due to over crowding, the logic is flawed, if you reward people for breaking the laws more are going to do so,

[HaloMagic]

the problem isnt the system, its the load.

the system works just fine as it did for my grandfather as it likely did most of yours, but it was not, nor is any other countries, designed to accommodate millions simultaneously.

There is no system thats going to stop the flow as long as the rewards outweigh the ricks, until someone in Washington has the balls to address that, this isnt going away.

And i might add that in my opinion amnesty is the worst answer ever to that problem, its like abolishing prisons due to over crowding, the logic is flawed, if you reward people for breaking the laws more are going to do so,

From the 1880s to the 1920s more foreign people came to America every year when measured as a percent to the population than now. Millions. And we were better for it. So the question that I see isn't how do we stop them now but how do we get back to being better for it.

[Jay]

From the 1880s to the 1920s more foreign people came to America every year when measured as a percent to the population than now. Millions. And we were better for it. So the question that I see isn't how do we stop them now but how do we get back to being better for it.

 

First thing you do is turn off the welfare then see where we're at.

[Hollyw00d]

First thing you do is turn off the welfare then see where we're at.

Illegals can't get welfare, the F you talking about

[Jay]

Illegals can't get welfare, the F you talking about

 

they can once they become legal, or if they have a child in the U.S.

[Don]

they can once they become legal, or if they have a child in the U.S.

Once they become legal they are, by definition, not illegal. And children born here are U.S. citizens, meaning they're entitled to the same benefits as any other citizen.

Edited July 9, 2014 by Don Tomlinson

[Jay]

And we need to change the citizenship rules so that people who are in the country illegally cannot simply drop a baby and become de-facto citizens.

 

Regardless, the promise of government benefits is a big incentive for low- and no-income people to flock to the U.S.

[TobiasFunke]

And we need to change the citizenship rules so that people who are in the country illegally cannot simply drop a baby and become de-facto citizens.

 

Pardon my ignorance, but do illegal parents become citizens once they have a child in the States?

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

No which is why he said de-facto regarding parents of 'anchor babies.'

Edited July 10, 2014 by Catwhoshatinthehat

[Jay]

No they don't become citizens but they are essentially here legally to care for their child who is a U.S. citizen.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38663819/ns/us_news-life/t/pew-percent-us-births-are-illegal-immigrants

[TobiasFunke]

No they don't become citizens but they are essentially here legally to care for their child who is a U.S. citizen.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38663819/ns/us_news-life/t/pew-percent-us-births-are-illegal-immigrants

So then what would these new citizenship rules look like under the Jay Presidency?

[Brandon]

I keep seeing this title and always think, "They need to ship people in Murrieta to other places."

[Jay]

So then what would these new citizenship rules look like under the Jay Presidency?

 

I would be in favor of Congress passing a measure that requires at least one parent to be either a citizen or a lawful resident.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

[TobiasFunke]

Passing a measure? You mean completely changing the 14th Amendment. Got it.

[DowningRules]

Passing a measure? You mean completely changing the 14th Amendment. Got it.

 

You're still under the impression that this country observes the Constitution?

[Jay]

Passing a measure? You mean completely changing the 14th Amendment. Got it.

 

But isn't the constitution hopelessly outdated and no longer applicable?

 

Anyway the idea that the citizenship clause could and should be reinterpreted is not uncommon:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-foster/birthright-citizenship_b_1236860.html

[Tank]

Passing a measure? You mean completely changing the 14th Amendment. Got it.

FYI, the constitution has been changed 28 times.

[TobiasFunke]

FYI, the constitution has been changed 28 times.

Then good luck to you vote seekers

[Jay]

Well they pass laws all the time restricting the use of various types of firearms which are ostensibly protected by the 2nd Amendment.

[Hollyw00d]

But isn't the constitution hopelessly outdated and no longer applicable?

 

Anyway the idea that the citizenship clause could and should be reinterpreted is not uncommon:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-foster/birthright-citizenship_b_1236860.html

 

 

one could argue the consitution is more relevant today than ever before.  the founding fathers ate their wheaties that morning