GDT 6/28/2014 Angels @ Royals

[Guest]

Freese can't hit or play defense. He also looks hungover every game, so I'm glad he's in the lineup every day. 

Edited June 28, 2014 by failos

[Blarg]

Is there any debate on who has better stuff, Wilson or Santiago? Not talking about control and walks etc, just quality of pitches.

 

Uhhhhh... never mind.

[Blarg]

Freese can't hit or play defense. He also looks hungover every game, so I'm glad he's in the lineup every game. 

 

I see you didn't bother to look at the box score before posting. Welcome to the rain delay.

[Guest]

I see you didn't bother to look at the box score before posting. Welcome to the rain delay.

I'm too busy watching Alex Curry to decipher your non sequitur.

Edited June 28, 2014 by failos

[Angelsfirst]

Uhhhhh... never mind.

Again, not saying who the better pitcher is. I'm saying when Santiago does get it over the plate, no matter how infrequently, he has better swing and miss stuff IMO, though you wouldn't be able to back it up through their SO per 9 stats either.

[Blarg]

I'm too busy watching Alex Curry to decipher your non sequitur.

 

You know, log on, see the gameday thread, fire off a remark that you've probably posted in every game day thread for the last two months. 

 

Freese had a run scoring single. Maybe you should get out of bed before noon to catch a few innings before blasting a player. 

[Angelsfirst]

But that stat this year is very close BTW and as we all know, certain stats can be deceiving.

[Lou]

You know, log on, see the gameday thread, fire off a remark that you've probably posted in every game day thread for the last two months. 

 

Freese had a run scoring single. Maybe you should get out of bed before noon to catch a few innings before blasting a player. 

Give the guy a break

He's hungover

[nando714]

Any update on the weather in "Missoura"

Edited June 28, 2014 by nando714

[Taylor]

Any update on the weather in "Missoura"

 

It's raining.

[Lou]

Any update on the weather in "Missoura"

That's Miz-Zou-RAH!

[nando714]

It's raining.

Cue Ollie Williams

[Angelsfirst]

More baseball please!!!

[Blarg]

Again, not saying who the better pitcher is. I'm saying when Santiago does get it over the plate, no matter how infrequently, he has better swing and miss stuff IMO, though you wouldn't be able to back it up through their SO per 9 stats either.

 

Yeah... well if you can't back it up then where is the difference? 

 

Wilson has a lower line drive rate and a higher ground ball rate. If you want to go with x-fip Santiago has him there but then again innings pitched has an effect on counting stats. Santiago has spent more time in the bullpen so hitter exposure to multiple at bats could be a factor.

 

Velocity Santiago is  @1 mph difference in fastball, but we all know velocity is a poor determination of a pitchers strengths.Both use a two and four seam fastball. Santiago does throw a sinkerball which I think is underrated. CJ uses the Slider instead. Both pitchers vary their pitches and don't rely heavily on one singular pitch.

 

If you look at Oswing both pitchers get batters to chase about 23% of the time. Batters have a higher contact rate on Oswings with Santiago (75%) than CJ (56%) so that kind of ruins your bat missing argument. 

 

At this point we have a ton of data on Wilson to use but Santiago has never logged a full season as a starter. To blanket state he has better swing and miss stuff but not present the proof it becomes more opinion than fact. 

[Lou]

Cue Ollie Williams

Great reference

[Blarg]

Any update on the weather in "Missoura"

 

it sucks this time of year and sucks worse later in the year until it sucks a little less then sucks a whole lot come winter.

[QuinlansMinion]

Any update?

[Blarg]

Any update?

 

It still sucks.

[bloodbrother]

Jeff Fletcher ‏@JeffFletcherOCR 29s

They are anticipating another line of storms in KC. We're going to be here awhile. #Angels

[m0nkey]

It's raining.

It's October third

[Angelsfirst]

Yeah... well if you can't back it up then where is the difference?

Wilson has a lower line drive rate and a higher ground ball rate. If you want to go with x-fip Santiago has him there but then again innings pitched has an effect on counting stats. Santiago has spent more time in the bullpen so hitter exposure to multiple at bats could be a factor.

Velocity Santiago is @1 mph difference in fastball, but we all know velocity is a poor determination of a pitchers strengths.Both use a two and four seam fastball. Santiago does throw a sinkerball which I think is underrated. CJ uses the Slider instead. Both pitchers vary their pitches and don't rely heavily on one singular pitch.

If you look at Oswing both pitchers get batters to chase about 23% of the time. Batters have a higher contact rate on Oswings with Santiago (75%) than CJ (56%) so that kind of ruins your bat missing argument.

At this point we have a ton of data on Wilson to use but Santiago has never logged a full season as a starter. To blanket state he has better swing and miss stuff but not present the proof it becomes more opinion than fact.

I agree that some of those stats are because of Hector's demotion. And who knows what the full breakdown of Santiago's stats would be in a full year. Perhaps I worded it wrong but I never meant to make claim that my statement was fact. Maybe my perception is based on Santiago's deception which is better than CJs just by watching the two pitch.

[fan_since79]

If they can't get this game in, I hope there's a doubleheader tomorrow.

 

If they don't do that, there is an off-day for both teams on July 28th in the middle of a Royals home stand. We would be on the way to Baltimore that day. That would mean 24 straight days of baseball for this team.

Edited June 28, 2014 by fan_since79

[Dreams]

http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/kauffman-stadium-mo/64129/weather-radar/43033_poi

 

Hector is this year's hard time loser.  

 

Who does Sosh bring in to start the 5th?  i.e. who will promptly give up the lead?  My money is on Kohn.

[Angelsfirst]

Jeff Fletcher ‏@JeffFletcherOCR 29s

They are anticipating another line of storms in KC. We're going to be here awhile. #Angels

F**k!

[fan_since79]

Thunderstorms predicted for tomorrow evening, so a day-night DH tomorrow might not work.

 

Whatever happened to the doubleheaders where they took only a half-hour break between games?