Trading Cron and Shoemaker

[Lou]

If you have determined that these guys will undoubtedly regress, what makes you think other teams haven't?

[m0nkey]

m0nkey already said that

Thanks for having my back.

 

 

 

 

link?

[Tyler]

I'm wondering who this 'general consensus' from scouts is coming from? Was that a tweet or something?

[Docwaukee]

Also, Shoemaker has way more potential value to the Angels than he does on the trade market.  He's a 27yo minor league 'journeyman' who struggled at AAA according to conventional numbers.  Few teams would trade for him with that profile.  The A's probably would try. 

[fan_since79]

Cron and Shoemaker, for Papelbon and Domonic Brown.

 

Brown's having a very disappointing year, but hit 27 HR and drove in 83 runs last year. He's only 26.

 

Papelbon's been brilliant, and would be a huge lift to this bullpen.

 

 

edit: I've modified my view on Shoemaker now that I've had a chance to think things over.

Edited June 24, 2014 by fan_since79

[Jeff Fletcher]

Then how did he reject a trade to KC last year?

I don't know where you heard that but it never happened.

[Docwaukee]

Cron and Shoemaker, and a prospect, for Papelbon and Domonic Brown.

 

Brown's having a very disappointing year, but hit 27 HR and drove in 83 runs last year. He's only 26.

 

Papelbon's been brilliant, and would be a huge lift to this bullpen.

I would punch dipoto in the neck if he made that trade.  

[Lou]

I don't know where you heard that but it never happened.

Exactly. I'm guessing he read a rumor about some deal last year

[Jeff Fletcher]

Is this a good time to mention that Papelbon has the same career save percentage as Frieri?

No?

[TroutBaseball]

I don't know where you heard that but it never happened.

IIRC it was Buster Olney. Regardless, the point was that Howie has a no trade clause.

[fan_since79]

Is this a good time to mention that Papelbon has the same career save percentage as Frieri?

No?

 

Look at his numbers this year for a sub-par Phillies team. He's also been consistently good throughout his career.

 

2.36 ERA in 557 games. 4.4 SO/BB ratio.

Edited June 24, 2014 by fan_since79

[Lou]

I'm wondering who this 'general consensus' from scouts is coming from? Was that a tweet or something?

General Consensus was a badass.

Brush up on your Civil War trivia buddy

[TroutBaseball]

Cron and Shoemaker, for Papelbon and Domonic Brown.

Brown's having a very disappointing year, but hit 27 HR and drove in 83 runs last year. He's only 26.

Papelbon's been brilliant, and would be a huge lift to this bullpen..

The Phillies are exactly the kind of team I'm referring to but they have fewer prospects than the Angels. I would probably scream bloody murder if they picked up Papelbon. That might accomplish the impossible task of being a worse acquisition than Vernon Wells. Terrible contract, on the wrong side of his career.

[Docwaukee]

Look at his numbers this year for a terrible Phillies team. He's also been consistently good throughout his career.

 

2.36 ERA in 557 games.

he's been a good closer and has good numbers this year.  yes he's been very good, but he's owed 13mil next year and has a vesting option for 2016 for his age 34 and 35yo seasons.  Nope.  

 

Plus if you dish Shoe, you weaken one area of the club to improve another for a net zero.  

 

JD has to find a way to parlay the 2b depth in this org into a pen arm.  

[Tyler]

General Consensus was a badass.

Brush up on your Civil War trivia buddy

 

I'm a lover, not a fighter. Ask me about my shake spear.

[Lou]

Thanks for having my back.

 

 

 

 

link?

You're welcome.

I made it up

[Docwaukee]

General Consensus was a badass.

Brush up on your Civil War trivia buddy

he won the battle of common courtesy I think.  

 

Only to lose significant ground during the Wellsian conflict.  

[fan_since79]

We can win this year with someone like Papelbon closing games.

 

I want to get to the playoffs again before I'm an old man.

[Lou]

I'm a lover, not a fighter. Ask me about my shake spear.

Whoa! Wrong forum dude

[Lou]

he won the battle of common courtesy I think.  

 

Only to lose significant ground during the Wellsian conflict.

See folks, education isn't the devil. It's nothing to fear.

[Tyler]

Whoa! Wrong forum dude

 

The op thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.

[Docwaukee]

See folks, education isn't the devil. It's nothing to fear.

the only thing that scares me is keyser soze.  

[Tyler]

See folks, education isn't the devil. It's nothing to fear.

 

I don't know man, I heard hell was empty...

[Lou]

the only thing that scares me is keyser soze.

How do you shoot the devil in the back?

What if you miss?

[Jeff Fletcher]

IIRC it was Buster Olney. Regardless, the point was that Howie has a no trade clause.

Not true about the Royals.

Howie has a partial no trade clause. I believe 6 or 8 teams he can put on a list. Maybe the Royals were already on his list and that's what Buster reported. But there was never a trade brought to Howie for his approval.

If a team is on a players no-trade list it doesn't mean he can't be traded there. Just that he has to approve it.