Would you trade.....?

[wopphil]

Cron and either Calhoun or Green for Ian Kennedy and Huston Street? Not saying I would (or that the Padres would), but I think it would be a trade that would help both teams quite a bit (Angels short term, Padres long term).

Angels' bullpen would get a great piece, and the rotation would become a lot deeper. Leftfield could be played by Green or Calhoun (whichever one isn't traded), and DH by the Cowgill/Navarro or even Ianetta.

I like what I see from Cron, but I'd have to at least consider a deal like this.

[Brandon]

No, short sighted deal. You're also taking out two full time-ish position players for part time or small time players.

[nate]

No.  No more trades please.  This org needs to keep the young talent and find some more.  I would rather trade a vet for some young pitching prospects.

 

I love Howie but he is probably the most obvious option to trade because of Green.  If you can turn Howie + cash into a couple good pitching prospects then you have to really consider it.

[WallyWorld]

If you can turn Howie + cash into a couple good pitching prospects then you have to really consider it.

 

this is what i'm hoping happens either at the trade deadline or coming offseason.

[19HALO71]

Agree with nate. Other than Kendrick I can't see any other trade pieces that we can use to acquire young pitching. I only say Kendrick because of how Green has played.

Edited June 2, 2014 by 19HALO71

[fan_since79]

Nope. Cron, Calhoun, and Green are potential All-Stars.

 

It will be exciting to see what they can do here for the next few years. I like the youth-movement approach. No more "veteran" pitchers, please.

[nate]

No.  No more trades please.  This org needs to keep the young talent and find some more.  I would rather trade a vet for some young pitching prospects.

 

I love Howie but he is probably the most obvious option to trade because of Green.  If you can turn Howie + cash into a couple good pitching prospects then you have to really consider it.

 

So I open with no more trades please and then I propose a trade...  spectacular.

[Docwaukee]

I think you have to look at where you are going to get offense over the next few years and while Trout is obviously the cornerstone, the system lacks impact bats that currently aren't at the major league level.  So I think Green, Cron and Calhoun are important adjuncts to Trout as Pujols and Hamilton continue to age. 

 

While Kennedy seems to have turned things around after getting out of AZ, he's got one more year of arb eligibility and then he's a free agent.  Street has a team option. 

 

At this point we are destined for a WC spot.  A one game crap shoot.  I'd hate to move that much club controlled offense for 1.5 years of potential pitching impact for the chance to play one game. 

 

We have depth at 2b in the system with Howie, Green, Lindsey, Yarborough, and Johnson.  And I think Street could have a serious impact on this team. 

[Brandon]

Nope. Cron, Calhoun, and Green are potential All-Stars.

It will be exciting to see what they can do here for the next few years. I like the youth-movement approach. No more "veteran" pitchers, please.

The over valuing of Angels players on this site never ends.

[nate]

The over valuing of Angels players on this site never ends.

 

He said potential.  I have no problem with what he said.  They have promise and have been good at the ML level so far.

[Tyler]

Cishek

[Brandon]

He said potential.  I have no problem with what he said.  They have promise and have been good at the ML level so far.

 

What?

 

Calhoun has only been up briefly and hasn't been close to all-star caliber or showing anything more than a capable MLBer. Green was traded from the best scouting/development system for Albert Callaspo...think about that for a second. And Cron has been ok, but a platoon player.

 

Nothing remotely close to all-star potential. Unless one is thinking everyone has "potential". We have the potential to be the president of the US.

 

Let's focus on them being remotely good first before saying all-star potential. Reminds me of all the Bourjos over valuing.

[laagamer]

Though I believe that potential kills coaches and Kennedy/ Street would be great proven talent to acquire, WHY THE **** WOULD SD MAKE THIS TRADE?

 

Seriously? You think this is realistic? 

[nate]

What?

 

Calhoun has only been up briefly and hasn't been close to all-star caliber or showing anything more than a capable MLBer. Green was traded from the best scouting/development system for Albert Callaspo...think about that for a second. And Cron has been ok, but a platoon player.

 

Nothing remotely close to all-star potential. Unless one is thinking everyone has "potential". We have the potential to be the president of the US.

 

Let's focus on them being remotely good first before saying all-star potential. Reminds me of all the Bourjos over valuing.

 

Potential... meaning they have been good early and could develop into All Stars...

[Erstad Grit]

What about for price?

[Docwaukee]

What?

 

Calhoun has only been up briefly and hasn't been close to all-star caliber or showing anything more than a capable MLBer. Green was traded from the best scouting/development system for Albert Callaspo...think about that for a second. And Cron has been ok, but a platoon player.

 

Nothing remotely close to all-star potential. Unless one is thinking everyone has "potential". We have the potential to be the president of the US.

 

Let's focus on them being remotely good first before saying all-star potential. Reminds me of all the Bourjos over valuing.

you have to consider more than just their inherent production, but their value relative to their cost. 

 

They don't need to be all-stars but only productive major leaguers.  You have to offset the production you are paying full pop retail for.  You do that by keeping cost controlled players who fill a spot. 

 

Yes, people over valued Bourjos, but it doesn't mean that he had none.  He just didn't have much to this team in particular because the place where he provided value would have de valued another player.   So redundancy has to be considered as well. 

 

Cron has the potential to be a decent #5/6 hitter.  Maybe better.

Calhoun is a solid all around player.

Green is a good hitter. 

 

Then you ask yourself if you got a replacement for any one of them who can provide similar production at a fraction of what it would cost on the open market.  To me, you really don't with Calhoun and Cron.  Maybe with Green. 

 

Also, Billy Beane is a good GM, but far from perfect and if you look thru major league baseball at some of the players he's moved, you will find productive players on other teams that was a net negative to the A's.  It wouldn't be a huge stretch for someone to get the better of him. 

 

Adding players that are a short term mild upgrade from a spot where the system lacks redundancy is a bad idea and part of why we were stuck bringing in the Hansons, Blantons and Ibanezs.  It also only likely gets you a slightly better change of playing a single playoff game. 

[Brandon]

Potential... meaning they have been good early and could develop into All Stars...

 

Everyone has "potential", even you Nate.

[Brandon]

you have to consider more than just their inherent production, but their value relative to their cost. 

 

They don't need to be all-stars but only productive major leaguers.  You have to offset the production you are paying full pop retail for.  You do that by keeping cost controlled players who fill a spot. 

 

Yes, people over valued Bourjos, but it doesn't mean that he had none.  He just didn't have much to this team in particular because the place where he provided value would have de valued another player.   So redundancy has to be considered as well. 

 

Cron has the potential to be a decent #5/6 hitter.  Maybe better.

Calhoun is a solid all around player.

Green is a good hitter. 

 

Then you ask yourself if you got a replacement for any one of them who can provide similar production at a fraction of what it would cost on the open market.  To me, you really don't with Calhoun and Cron.  Maybe with Green. 

 

Also, Billy Beane is a good GM, but far from perfect and if you look thru major league baseball at some of the players he's moved, you will find productive players on other teams that was a net negative to the A's.  It wouldn't be a huge stretch for someone to get the better of him. 

 

Adding players that are a short term mild upgrade from a spot where the system lacks redundancy is a bad idea and part of why we were stuck bringing in the Hansons, Blantons and Ibanezs.  It also only likely gets you a slightly better change of playing a single playoff game. 

 

The first part isn't relative to the argument about them wearing all-star jerseys in the future. Their cost in relation to production makes them great team players....but it's doesn't make them potential all-stars, which was proposed. They aren't bad players and considering their team value are rather good, but that wasn't the question.

 

Yes, about Bourjos. I was actually one of the few that mentioned and considered his value in conjunction with our roster and another teams.....to gauge a perceived value when people were dolling out trade proposals. Either way, most people here over valued him and wanted #1 pitching prospects.

 

I don't dismiss the players value or talent, just their value in relation to all-stars.....agreed on their projections and potential, but a #5 or #6 hitter isn't all-star potential.

 

Valid point about Beane and the A's. Maybe I'm dismissing the idea that Jerry can pull one over like he did in the Trumbo trade.

 

Agreed and why I have the second post in the thread stating the same. I don't like short sided deals unless it's a deal like the Greinke one where a player was blocked and it brought in a player that can not only get you over the hump, but be a huge part in a playoff run as an ace can be where pitching rules.

[Blarg]

It would be nice if before brainstorm trades are brought up you may want to ask yourself first if the other team has any need for your players. The Padres have zero use for Cron since they have Yadier Alonzo and no DH.

[Brandon]

It would be nice if before brainstorm trades are brought up you may want to ask yourself first if the other team has any need for your players. The Padres have zero use for Cron since they have Yadier Alonzo and no DH.

 

I really wish this thought process went into all the "Fire _____!!" threads.

 

You never hear tem consider replacements or how/why the change is better.

[Brent Maguire]

The only trade I want the Angels to make is for someone who helps in the long term. Trading Cron, Green or Calhoun for a short term piece would just add onto the mistakes the Angels made in recent years. 

 

If another team overvalues Green and will give a good pitching prospect for him, I'm all for it though. With Yarbrough and Lindsey in the system, Green doesn't necessarily have a spot. Although I'm open to the Angels trying him at third base. 

[YouthofToday]

Nope. Cron, Calhoun, and Green are potential All-Stars.

It will be exciting to see what they can do here for the next few years. I like the youth-movement approach. No more "veteran" pitchers, please.

What are your standards for "potential All-Stars"?

That said, I would not make the deal in question.

Edited June 2, 2014 by YouthofToday

[wopphil]

It would be nice if before brainstorm trades are brought up you may want to ask yourself first if the other team has any need for your players. The Padres have zero use for Cron since they have Yadier Alonzo and no DH.

And it would be nice if you actually read and attempted to comprehend before running your mouth.

But seeing as how you shouldn't be expected to do that, here it goes: Alonso has a .719 career OPS and a .594 OPS this year. His OPS has declined three years in a row. And he is now 27. I doubt the Padres are that highly committed to him.

As for Green or Calhoun, I am sure the Padres - with an MLB worst offense - would be able to find an open space.

[nikkachez]

I wouldn't make that trade, keep the offense intact, The first thing this team needs to do is get healthy. Hamilton's about to be back, Trout missed a couple games but should be fine, and Calhoun looks like he's starting to get hot over the last couple of games (working the count too.) Although I do think they might need to make a trade for some pitching depth, if there's an injury to the rotation, the Halos are in trouble.

[Blarg]

And it would be nice if you actually read and attempted to comprehend before running your mouth.

But seeing as how you shouldn't be expected to do that, here it goes: Alonso has a .719 career OPS and a .594 OPS this year. His OPS has declined three years in a row. And he is now 27. I doubt the Padres are that highly committed to him.

As for Green or Calhoun, I am sure the Padres - with an MLB worst offense - would be able to find an open space.

 

 

Cron and either Calhoun or Green for Ian Kennedy and Huston Street?

 

Sorry Phil but you set the parameters of a failed trade idea up front, no amount of disclaimers afterwards is changing that.

 

You want to argue Alonzo's value after, go ahead but on the surface your trade requires more than player A and B for C and D. It requires the Padres to make other roster changes to gain any value out of the trade and the pieces involved have yet to really prove major league value.

 

They are also trading a valued commodity for spare parts on our side. On the open market they can make a better deal just for Kennedy or Street individually.