At LAST! a manager gives up on SAVES

[TroutBaseball]

I LOVE that Sosh has given up on trying to get his best reliever a SAVE and instead is using him when the other team has the most leverage.  It's about time.  I think playing for saves has made a fool of many a manager over the years and I hope more give up on it.  Play to win the game, screw the fantasy stats.

[ukyah]

i don't think that is what's happening.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

I hope so, but it's too early to tell. I hope he doesn't change to the old ways if/when Ernesto "earns" the closer job again.

[markb]

I think the fact that the 2-4 hitters were up in the 8th was just a coincidence.  Pretty sure we're just back to Smith setup, Frieri closer again.  

[SoWhat]

Hopefully they continue to do this. I think it was Butcher that whoever pitches the 8th and 9th will be based off match ups

Edited May 14, 2014 by SoWhat

[Blarg]

The irony of this thread is Frieri got the save.

[Stradling]

Langston was saying this was the reasoning during the game.

[markb]

Hopefully they continue to do this. I think it was Butcher who said that who pitches the 8th and 9th will be based off match ups

 

I hadn't heard this, so if that's the case then bravo.  

[stormngt]

I LOVE that Sosh has given up on trying to get his best reliever a SAVE and instead is using him when the other team has the most leverage.  It's about time.  I think playing for saves has made a fool of many a manager over the years and I hope more give up on it.  Play to win the game, screw the fantasy stats.

either that or Sosh likes Frieri as the closer.

[Guest]

Langston was saying this was the reasoning during the game.

Langston also said he'd never seen an MLB team (the Phillies) make such a big deal about an opposing player (Mike Trout) coming into town in a major league ballpark before

 

... despite the fact "Derek Jeter Day" happened in Anaheim just 5 days ago

Edited May 14, 2014 by ScottLux

[Stradling]

Yes but did 6,000 fans from Jeters home town come to Anaheim?

[Guest]

Yes but did 6,000 fans from Jeters home town come to Anaheim?

 

if by "come from his home town" you mean "move from New York to California at some point in the last decade", then yes

[Inside Pitch]

if by "come from his home town" you mean "move from New York to California at some point in the last decade", then yes

 

 

Pretty sure Jeter's home town is Kalamazoo Michigan.  

Edited May 14, 2014 by Inside Pitch

[Inside Pitch]

Hopefully they continue to do this. I think it was Butcher who said that who pitches the 8th and 9th will be based off match ups

 

IF this is true it's pretty awesome...

[Jeff Fletcher]

Butcher said it. Dino Ebel said it. Mike Scioscia said it.

I blogged about all this...

http://m.ocregister.com/angels/sabermetric-614113-scioscia-afterthoughts.html

[Stradling]

if by "come from his home town" you mean "move from New York to California at some point in the last decade", then yes

Sorry but that simply isn't true. Most of the Yankee fans that show up in Anaheim are the So Cal Yankee fan that buys the new gear that looks old. The actual Yankee fans from New York are pretty tame and respectful at least in my experience.

[tomsred]

Butcher said it. Dino Ebel said it. Mike Scioscia said it.

I blogged about all this...

http://m.ocregister.com/angels/sabermetric-614113-scioscia-afterthoughts.htm

Don't you know?  Posters here only read their own posts, not what others write, LOL.  Everyone likes to hear their own thoughts and opinions.

[arch stanton]

It makes good sense when yu have reliever depth as we appear to be on the brink of but don't have reliever dominance.

[Second Base]

Frame it however you want, Scioscia's been a long supporter of defined bullpen roles and hasn't shown himself to adapt that quickly.

Perhaps he has changed, but the second we see Smith face the bottom of the order in the 8th and Frieri face the top in the 9th, this idea of a progressive Scioscia goes out the window and is replaced by the same old archaic approach we've seen for I don't know how long.

[Inside Pitch]

Butcher said it. Dino Ebel said it. Mike Scioscia said it.

I blogged about all this...

http://m.ocregister.com/angels/sabermetric-614113-scioscia-afterthoughts.html

 

Great news.   Had not yet seen that article.   East Coast and all.

[Inside Pitch]

Frame it however you want, Scioscia's been a long supporter of defined bullpen roles and hasn't shown himself to adapt that quickly.

Perhaps he has changed, but the second we see Smith face the bottom of the order in the 8th and Frieri face the top in the 9th, this idea of a progressive Scioscia goes out the window and is replaced by the same old archaic approach we've seen for I don't know how long.

 

To be fair, roles can be defined in different ways.  If they have a guy that's appointed the resident bad ass in charge of nuking the other team's top hitters then they are defining the role rather nicely.

[Lhalo]

Butcher said it. Dino Ebel said it. Mike Scioscia said it.

I blogged about all this...

http://m.ocregister.com/angels/sabermetric-614113-scioscia-afterthoughts.html

I like the direction the coaching staff is headed with decisions like this and the hiring of Rick Eckstein.

[nate]

I actually really applaud Scioscia for this.  I hate having Frieri in the 9th but I definitely like the fact that he put our best reliever against their best hitters.

[laagamer]

I think using your best pitcher with nobody on in the 9th is a waste personally.

I miss Shields.

Edited May 14, 2014 by laagamer

[eaterfan]

It's good the Angels are going with match ups. It's good that it worked. It's bad that Scioscia says he hopes it's only temporary. It's good that he wants to use Smith for more than one inning.