LOL California

[Blarg]

F'n Democrats and MSN!

[Tank]

It's probably more taxes if you drive a lot, probably less taxes if you don't.

 

that may be, but it's a double tax. i'm already being taxed for buying gas, and now they want to tax me for how far i drive. talk about intrusive.

[arch stanton]

If they want to test it out then let the state legislators' vehicles be the test cars.

[St1ck]

that may be, but it's a double tax. i'm already being taxed for buying gas, and now they want to tax me for how far i drive. talk about intrusive.

There wouldn't be a tax at the pump with this.

[red321]

There would still be a tax at the pump, at least a federal tax.

 

Not the best idea. I understand that a significant reduction in fuel taxes, which are a large part of what maintains our roads and highways, can cause challenges with maintaining those roads and highways...but government installed GPS devices...bad idea.

 

The challenge is, when you have a crumbling infrastructure and need to pay for bridge maintenance, road maintenance, highway maintenance, etc....how do you do that while at the same time pushing people to use more fuel efficient and non-petroleum based vehicles.

[mtangelsfan]

Your first post was about screwing people with fuel efficient cars.

 

It would take away one of the benefits of having a fuel efficient car.

[HaloMagic]

Should not paying your fair share on road maintenance be a benefit of a fuel efficient car?

Yes, I know I'm flip-flopping. But to be fair, my main issue with this is the government tracking device. I'm much less firm on the anti-fuel tax thing.

[mtangelsfan]

"your fair share" wouldn't be decided by anything more than how far you had to drive to work.  I'm not sure that is really the fairest determiner of that.  Nor am I a fan of that term in general anyway.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

I know from a federal perspective later this year the Highway Trust Fund will not have enough money to pay all it's bills many of which are to the states for their projects.  That said you can't keep going back to taxpayers for more money when the government is running annual deficits and the middle class is getting pounded.  Time to show some responsibility with what you bring in and stop buying votes before we're all ****ed.    

[HaloMagic]

before we're all ****ed.

Too late.

[Spirit]

"California wants to try charging car owners by the mile instead of having them pay at the pump."

 

 

LOL!  As if it's going to be one or the other.  They're going to charge you by the mile AND at the pump! 

[1nutkruk]

"California wants to try charging car owners by the mile instead of having them pay at the pump."

 

 

LOL!  As if it's going to be one or the other.  They're going to charge you by the mile AND at the pump! 

They are going to pump you for every mile.

[stevestevens]

The people who need to be taxed are the ones who carpool, ride their bikes, and walk. 

 

If you carpool to work your tax should increase by the amount of people in the car.

[St1ck]

The people who need to be taxed are the ones who carpool, ride their bikes, and walk.

If you carpool to work your tax should increase by the amount of people in the car.

That's why I rollerblade everywhere.

[Lhalo]

That's why I rollerblade everywhere.

 

Ya but then you get hit with the Spandex tax.

[St1ck]

Worth it.

[Tank]

it's none of the gov't's business how far i drive and where i go.

 

this gps device is a really, really bad idea.

[Ludwig Von Mises]

it's none of the gov't's business how far i drive and where i go.

 

this gps device is a really, really bad idea.

Exactly. Fortunately, GPS is an extremely low power signal and unencrypted so it's easy to spoof. You could have a small device in your car that transmits (on GPS freqs) any location of your choice (ie your home) at all times. Travel around and it will always think you're at home. Spoofing odometer info is more difficult but not impossible.

 

Of more concern is that government continues to assert undelegated privileges over us. They have never been granted the permission to monitor and track the free associations of their masters.

[mtangelsfan]

Of more concern is that government continues to assert undelegated privileges over us.

 

This is a great quote.  However I think it is more the fact that we keep handing them over to them and saying thank you afterwards.

[stevestevens]

That's why I rollerblade everywhere.

 

Stick, when are we going to get together and watch Airborne?

[mp170.6]

A little off-topic but related ... have you guys seen the Automated License Plate Readers all over the freeways, and now, on city streets?  

 

The state tries to reassure us that the information is kept confidential and discarded after a set time period.  My buddy who works for the CHP says that's bullshit in many cases.  The database software for the back office server has sophisticated searching capabilities, including the use of wildcards.  So say somebody reports a crime but can't remember the suspect's full license plate or make/model of the car.  If all the person remembers is the first 3 digits and color of the car, that still implicates several thousand vehicles.  Any potential vehicle matches (and the registered owner information) gets dumped into the case file and remains there indefinitely until the case is solved, if ever.  I presume this is only for felony hit and run / homicide type cases, but who knows?

[AngelsLongBall]

There would still be a tax at the pump, at least a federal tax.

 

Not the best idea. I understand that a significant reduction in fuel taxes, which are a large part of what maintains our roads and highways, can cause challenges with maintaining those roads and highways...but government installed GPS devices...bad idea.

 

The challenge is, when you have a crumbling infrastructure and need to pay for bridge maintenance, road maintenance, highway maintenance, etc....how do you do that while at the same time pushing people to use more fuel efficient and non-petroleum based vehicles.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the state in the past dipped in the fuel tax fund in order to cover deficits in the general fund?

[Tank]

Of more concern is that government continues to assert undelegated privileges over us. They have never been granted the permission to monitor and track the free associations of their masters.

 

boy, that is one hundred percent on target. it's none of their business. NDAA, patriot act, unlimited detentions, secret courts, drone attacks, and tracking where and when we drive.

 

i don't like this one bit.

[Jason]

Hey idiots how about being more fiscally responsible with my money in the first place. Are California voters that retarded that they knowingly vote these fools in?

Edited May 9, 2014 by Angels N Skins

[JAHV76]

How about the California voters put a bill on the ballot to have state lawmakers wear a GPS to track when they are actually in session and limit their Internet activity to just state business only.

Edited May 9, 2014 by JAHV76