Why not DH Iannetta?

[Marsaka]

One game showed it how?

 

pitchers will use his aggressiveness against him when runners are on base.  make him chase pitcher pitches.

[Marsaka]

Been said a few times -- that would mean carrying a third catcher.  We don't really have a competent third catcher in the system.  

 

what about torrealba?  if he's still a free agent, he could be the backup for conger, and release/bench ibanez.

 

id really like a defensive specialist behind the plate to backup conger's weakness.

[NrM]

It isn't as stupid as you make it out to sound. If one goes down with an injury you're pitcher might get two or at worst three at bats. If your pitcher happens to get three at bats then you're probably winning the game. In the very off chance both your catchers get hurt, then you are right. Even then the chance is so small that it's doable.

 

Why can't people understand this? The impact of a pitcher having to hit for one game would be minimal.

Edited May 6, 2014 by Poozy

[mtangelsfan]

Why can't people understand this? The impact of a pitcher having to hit for one game would be minimal.

 

For one game it would sure, but then it would put the Angels in a position to make an emergency move for a back-up catcher.  That is where I have the problem.  It's not the one game, it is the several games after that where we have Hester or same junk heap hack backing up Conger who will literally make the team worse.

[Stradling]

But mt wouldn't that be the case no matter what if a catcher got hurt? Are you really increasing a chance of an injury by having a catcher DH?

[ABC]

Same way the first two games didn't show anything.

I am just going by his minor league numbers, which shows not much plate discipline and his tendency to be a hacker.

 

Who said anything about his first two games?

 

You said, "Last night showed that Cron is not ready to hit cleanup."

[mtangelsfan]

hmmm, that is a good point.  I guess I'd just like the Angels to have a half decent catcher at AAA that wouldn't totally suck. 

 

I can still see this board exploding if Sosh did this and then the pitcher k's on three pitches with the bases loaded twice and we lose by a run.

[Stradling]

Except they would pinch hit one of those times

[rageous]

hmmm, that is a good point.  I guess I'd just like the Angels to have a half decent catcher at AAA that wouldn't totally suck. 

 

I can still see this board exploding if Sosh did this and then the pitcher k's on three pitches with the bases loaded twice and we lose by a run.

There is this thing called pinch hitting for those times.

[mtangelsfan]

Except they would pinch hit one of those times

 

You would take Weaver out of the game to pinch hit for him?  Or Wilson?  What if its really early?  What if they have only thrown 70 or 80 pitches?

[Blarg]

Why not alternate Conger and Iannetta at DH and catcher?

A DH cannot play a position. That leaves no backup catcher should one of them take a foul tip to the hand.

[Stradling]

If it's really early and we have had bases loaded twice yet we are down one run, then I highly doubt Weaver and Wilson would be pitching great.

[ABC]

You would take Weaver out of the game to pinch hit for him?  Or Wilson?  What if its really early?  What if they have only thrown 70 or 80 pitches?

 

It's a chance you take for a better DH in EVERY game.

[mtangelsfan]

If it's really early and we have had bases loaded twice yet we are down one run, then I highly doubt Weaver and Wilson would be pitching great.

 

Hmm, didn't Weaver get out of a bases loaded jam last night?  Plus, you know I was using hyperbole to make a point.  Bottom line, its easy for people to say right now, "it is only one game" until that game takes place and we end up losing because the pitcher had to hit, or we had to bring in one of our awesome bench options like McDonald, Ibanez or Stewart.  Then its hate on Sosh night.

[HeavenlyHalos]

A DH cannot play a position. That leaves no backup catcher should one of them take a foul tip to the hand.

 

I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. If a DH takes a defensive position during the middle of the game, than he can no longer bat for the pitcher. Instead, the pitcher will have to bat when his turn in the order is up.

[eaterfan]

I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. If a DH takes a defensive position during the middle of the game

Edited May 6, 2014 by eaterfan

[ABC]

I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. If a DH takes a defensive position during the middle of the game, than he can no longer bat for the pitcher. Instead, the pitcher will have to bat when his turn in the order is up.

 

I agree.

 

The DH can play in the field, but once a manager decides to play him on defense, the pitcher immediately takes over the batting spot of the defensive player which the DH replaced (unless there are multiple substitutions, in which case the manager can decide where the pitcher will bat). The team then forfeits the use of the DH for the rest of the game.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/designated_hitter

Edited May 6, 2014 by CF8

[Blarg]

I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. If a DH takes a defensive position during the middle of the game, than he can no longer bat for the pitcher. Instead, the pitcher will have to bat when his turn in the order is up.

 

You are right, I missinterpeted the rule.

 

Here is the problem, a DH is usually a MOTO bat. Let's say Conger gets his thumb jammed in the 1st through 3rd innings and is out. Iannetta now releives him at catcher, he is now batting in the 7th spot and the pitcher is now the #4 hitter. Kind of like Reggie Willits taking over for GA in a playoff game in the 2nd inning. No good comes from that.

 

Why tempt the baseball gods to put Reggie Willits in the #4 spot of the order? It's not like you want to swap out pitchers with pinch hitters every two innings.

[HeavenlyHalos]

That would only be for one game though. I would be willing to tempt fate by using this strategy if it improved the line-up in the remaining 130 games or whatever we have left. Besides, Ibanez has been hitting like a pitcher in the clean-up spot anyway.

[ABC]

You are right, I missinterpeted the rule.

 

Here is the problem, a DH is usually a MOTO bat. Let's say Conger gets his thumb jammed in the 1st through 3rd innings and is out. Iannetta now releives him at catcher, he is now batting in the 7th spot and the pitcher is now the #4 hitter. Kind of like Reggie Willits taking over for GA in a playoff game in the 2nd inning. No good comes from that.

 

Why tempt the baseball gods to put Reggie Willits in the #4 spot of the order? It's not like you want to swap out pitchers with pinch hitters every two innings.

 

Manager can make multiple substitutions, in which case the manager can decide where the pitcher will bat

[Stradling]

Then its hate on Sosh night.

Well he is a liar

[Blarg]

That would only be for one game though. I would be willing to tempt fate by using this strategy if it improved the line-up in the remaining 130 games or whatever we have left. Besides, Ibanez has been hitting like a pitcher in the clean-up spot anyway.

 

Ok, let's review Angels luck.

 

 

It would happen the first game.

[Blarg]

Manager can make multiple substitutions, in which case the manager can decide where the pitcher will bat

 

Or they could have Cron or Pujols Dh and not jump through hoops.

[ABC]

As long as CJC hits better than Iannetta.

[m0nkey]

What boggles my mind is how people who spend so much time on a baseball message rule don't understand the DH rule.