This aligns with my view of the subject matter.

[RallyMo]

From my Facebook feed via a friend's post:

 

"I support with this disclaimer: This is a political issue, not a religious one. I don't think that the government should tell people who they can and cannot marry. As a Christian, my interpretation of scripture classifies homosexuality as a sin, but it also classifies drunkenness, lust, divorce, and pretty much everything else as such (though Christian society in general treats homosexuality much worse for some unknown reason, I have no idea why, don't ask me). If the government legislated what I believed was a sin, we'd all be in jail. Getting angry is a sin, thinking you're better than others, not giving everything you have away... yeah glad those aren't laws.

People who sin are not my enemies. And by that I mean everything single person to ever be born are not my enemies. It's not the government's job to keep me from looking at porn, it's not the government's job to make sure that I tell my wife I love her from time to time, it's not the government's job to make sure that I give to charities and don't spend all my money on my own pleasures, while the world starves. The government is there to protect freedom. The government is not my nanny, it's not my momma, and it's not Jesus.

How we are raised and what we believe are right and wrong is not the government's business. Don't mistake your child for your dog, and don't mistake your religion for your government. In a free society we should all be free to swing sticks wherever we want, so long as we don't hit anyone with them. So there you have it, a fundi-Christian supporting the legal right gay marriage"

 

Yep.

[Jason]

As a Christian I believe that everyone will be held accountable, by themselves, on judgment day. The Bible also teaches that Jesus did not come to condemn anyone but rather spread his word and leave people to make their decision. I don't condone gay marriage or believe it's right but there are more pressing issues that those in government need to figure out at this time.

[Jay]

In before someone is called a bigot

[HaloMagic]

More pressing issues sort of implies this issue is even a little pressing. I don't see how it's the government's or societies job to enforce marriage being between a man and a woman. It's sort of silly to ask the government to do so.

[HaloMagic]

In before someone is called a bigot

Racist.

[Glen]

More pressing issues sort of implies this issue is even a little pressing. I don't see how it's the government's or societies job to enforce marriage being between a man and a woman. It's sort of silly to ask the government to do so.

 

 

There are always more pressing issues than the ones we don't care about.  That other people care about them more than us is irrelevant. 

[Glen]

More pressing issues sort of implies this issue is even a little pressing. I don't see how it's the government's or societies job to enforce marriage being between a man and a woman. It's sort of silly to ask the government to do so.

 

 

I would actually prefer for the government to be completely out of the marriage biz, but it's in it.  When married couples get benefits that non-married couples do not - and hey, why not even extend this to long-term partners (opposite sex) who have no desire to get married? - it becomes a government issue. 

[Blarg]

What I get from the OP is that he is all for ambivalence.

[mtangelsfan]

I was expecting the op to just be a picture of Karl Marx.

[Crampknees]

I have never felt the government was really behind the "marriage between a man and a woman" biz.  Just the ones running for government who never make it.

[RallyMo]

What I get from the OP is that he is all for ambivalence.

 

Before I respond: are you in serious mode or troll mode?

[RallyMo]

I was expecting the op to just be a picture of Karl Marx.

 

Clever, but there's no way I am going to both wear my Marx t-shirt and start a thread on the same day. That's overkill.

[Angelsjunky]

I'm so sick of (some) Christians telling everyone again and again that they see homosexuality as a sin. I mean, who cares? Just keep it out of government legislation.

[mtangelsfan]

I'm so sick of (some) Christians telling everyone again and again that they see homosexuality as a sin. I mean, who cares? Just keep it out of government legislation.

 

To answer your questions, Christians care, obviously.  People ask why Christians have issues with this subject, that is the answer. too bad if you don't like the answer.

[Blarg]

Before I respond: are you in serious mode or troll mode?

Ambivalence regarding this is probably the sanest of all positions. You can have your faith in God and still not really care if a law is passed that grants people rights to engage in publicly sanctioned contracts on an equal basis. It has nothing to do with your life, it doesn't affect your life so why care if gays get the right to engage in a legal marriage?

 

If you are religiously minded you can bank on it all being sorted out at a later date but if you are meddling in others lives you may be jeopardizing your own status.

 

So try to practice ambivalence towards what Caesar wants and just be happy. All of this agenda pushing is just making the divide greater and less tolerable of a world to live in.

[Jay]

Ambivalence regarding this is probably the sanest of all positions. You can have your faith in God and still not really care if a law is passed that grants people rights to engage in publicly sanctioned contracts on an equal basis. It has nothing to do with your life, it doesn't affect your life so why care if gays get the right to engage in a legal marriage?

 

If you are religiously minded you can bank on it all being sorted out at a later date but if you are meddling in others lives you may be jeopardizing your own status.

 

So try to practice ambivalence towards what Caesar wants and just be happy. All of this agenda pushing is just making the divide greater and less tolerable of a world to live in.

 

So we're supposed to "not really care" when a law is passed that "grants rights" as long as "it has nothing to do with (our lives)".  Just shut up, keep your head down, and pay your taxes.

[Futch Winkleman]

I'm so sick of (some) Christians telling everyone again and again that they see homosexuality as a sin. I mean, who cares? Just keep it out of government legislation.

 

Because marriage is between one man and one woman.  

 

Like David and Michal and Ahinoam and Abigail and Maacath and Haggith and Abital and Eglah and Bathsheba and others.

 

But not Adam and Steve.

[Glen]

Ambivalence regarding this is probably the sanest of all positions. You can have your faith in God and still not really care if a law is passed that grants people rights to engage in publicly sanctioned contracts on an equal basis. It has nothing to do with your life, it doesn't affect your life so why care if gays get the right to engage in a legal marriage?

 

If you are religiously minded you can bank on it all being sorted out at a later date but if you are meddling in others lives you may be jeopardizing your own status.

 

So try to practice ambivalence towards what Caesar wants and just be happy. All of this agenda pushing is just making the divide greater and less tolerable of a world to live in.

 

 

Well said. 

[Adam]

If I hear one more old person say "Let gay people marry. Why should they be any happier than the rest of us?" I will shoot Victor's Mom in the tatas.

[floplag]

More pressing issues sort of implies this issue is even a little pressing. I don't see how it's the government's or societies job to enforce marriage being between a man and a woman. It's sort of silly to ask the government to do so.

...more pressing, of course, but more likely to help win elections, no.  Which is of course the only thing any politicians actually gives a rats arse about.

[floplag]

id also like to point out once again that using religion, or any other personal viewpoint as the basis for making laws that govern people that do not share your religion or viewpoint is precisely the kind of thing this country was supposed to be against.

 

Religion is not a shared basis in virtually any community in this country, nor should it be.  base laws on those things that affect us all, common sense, civility, anything, and i mean literally anything, but religion.

 

There is no difference at all between using Christian "views" to force gays into the closet as there is using muslim views to rape 12 year old girls or murder infidels.  Think about that next time you wanna use your personal views to tell someone else how to live based on your personal views.

 

the hypocrisy of the religion blows my mind.  those who sin in the name of god are the worst sinners of them all.

[Adam]

Every law goes against at least someone's viewpoint. 

[acro2008]

From what I can see some folks see this as a "genetics" vs. "learned" issue. From Conervative vs. Liberal to Creation vs. Evolution, once again, the PTB widdle down a complicated issue to pushing people into taking one of two sides. I see a full fledged "learned" agenda with a possible Genetic manipulation riding shotgun, possibly inadvertant.  There is is a chance genetic manipulation at some level is happenning in the womb from consumed Exitotoxins, pesticides, hormone induced food and GMO foods to name a few sources. At the same time, Feminizing males as well as dumbing them down with Female's being masculiniized is being pushed to the forefront more than ever in film and TV. Men are being portrayed as stupid fat fools that mom and kids disrespect and if he isn't a stupid fat bumbling fool, Joe Blow is gay or at least Metrosexual. This lifestyle wouldn't sustain humanity yet we are being told to accept it? Powerful people control the entertainment industry and has made this acceptable to those sheeple that believe they themselves as sheeple are a driving force behind trends. I have found most of these people don't know the AMA, who whole heartedly backs gay marriage is privatley owned and not government. That screams agenda. I am not even against gay marraige but I don't like who is providing the propaganda. It's BS to be told to be tolerant while just within a few years it oozed through society like water filling in the sidewalk cracks.

[floplag]

Every law goes against at least someone's viewpoint. 

 

of course, but it isnt typically due to religion.  any law will go against some peoples views, its the basis of the law that comes into question.

[mtangelsfan]

of course, but it isnt typically due to religion.  any law will go against some peoples views, its the basis of the law that comes into question.

So the only basis for law that you would not agree with is religious?

 

Interesting.