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Olney: Boras seeking 14-15 million a year for Lohse


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That's absurd, of course, but that is his asking price, not what he'll accept. That said, I could see Lohse getting 3/$40MM or even 4/$50MM. He's actually been pretty decent the last two years: 30-11, 3.11 ERA, 6.1 fWAR - good for 34th among all major league starters. I see him as a solid #3 pitcher. But he is 34 years old.

 

He's better than Vargas, Blanton, and probably Hanson, although not better enough to warrant spending more money on him.

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Surprised the Indians haven't inquired.  I think they would lose their 3th round pick,  since they lost their first and second picks with Swisher and Bourn.  If they can get a 3/$30, it would probably be one of the few places it would be worth it.  Other option is the Braves or Nationals.  They would lose their second round picks.  

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We are just about week from the start of the season and no team wants to lose their draft pick plus over pay for Lohse. If a team picks him up he is not going to be ready to play so his value decreases with every day Boras postures.

 

He's apparently been pitching in simulated games in order to be ready to go for the start of the season.

 

Well, assuming he's signed before the season begins.

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For the Angels, the issue isn't the amount.  It's losing the second round pick.  We already lost our first round pick signing Hamilton.  For a system that is struggling on farm talent and depth, we need those picks or face a continually increasingly spiraling salary.  

 

We are becoming more and more like the Yankees.  Yankee Pre 2000 built via the farm.  Now, just an old expensive team that is constantly getting hurt.  That is the future we are building ourselves towards.  

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For the Angels, the issue isn't the amount. It's losing the second round pick. We already lost our first round pick signing Hamilton. For a system that is struggling on farm talent and depth, we need those picks or face a continually increasingly spiraling salary.

We are becoming more and more like the Yankees. Yankee Pre 2000 built via the farm. Now, just an old expensive team that is constantly getting hurt. That is the future we are building ourselves towards.

How do you figure? We have a lot of players that are young. We have a nice mix of players in different stages of their careers. The future is bright with Bourjos, Trumbo, Trout, Richards. And with good guys in the low minors. AA now has Cowart, Cron, Lindsey, Witherspoon, and Maronde and a couple decent arms on their way up.

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For the Angels, the issue isn't the amount.  It's losing the second round pick.  We already lost our first round pick signing Hamilton.  For a system that is struggling on farm talent and depth, we need those picks or face a continually increasingly spiraling salary.  

 

We are becoming more and more like the Yankees.  Yankee Pre 2000 built via the farm.  Now, just an old expensive team that is constantly getting hurt.  That is the future we are building ourselves towards.  

I don't think the Rangers made a qualifying offer. On of the reasons Daniels is so butthurt.

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For the Angels, the issue isn't the amount.  It's losing the second round pick.  We already lost our first round pick signing Hamilton.  For a system that is struggling on farm talent and depth, we need those picks or face a continually increasingly spiraling salary.  

 

We are becoming more and more like the Yankees.  Yankee Pre 2000 built via the farm.  Now, just an old expensive team that is constantly getting hurt.  That is the future we are building ourselves towards.  

 

I agree the rub is losing the pick and that the Angels need to get their farm in order, but, I don't think the Halos have as much in common with the Yankees as you're painting it but (I may be reading you wrong), I do agree they are heading in the same direction unless to go back to investing in the farm system.

 

Still, the current Angels team is largely made up of farm hands or acquired via the farm.

 

Looking at our starting 9 position players and 7 of the spots in the lineup were either graduated from the farm (Aybar, Trout, Kendrick, Trumbo, Bourjos), or obtained using pieces from the farm (Ianetta, and Callaspo), one of which was a former farmhand.  The pitching staff has a lot more purchased items but as a whole, the Angels only feature 6 players who were brought in as FA's; Pujols, Hamilton, Downs, Burnett, Wilson, Blanton.   You could add Williams into that group but he's more of an example of someone who was picked up off the discard pile.  

 

Among position players only Pujols (33), and Hamilton (32), will play this season at older than their age 30 season (Ianetta, Kendrick, Callaspo), or  under (Trout 21, Bourjos 26, Trumbo 27, Aybar 29).  The Yankees by comparison have two players who will be 30 (Cano), or younger (Gardner at 29), in their starting 9.

 

The Rangers noted for their being such an in house product have essentially the same number of FA's; Beltre, Darvish, AJ. Berkman, Frasor, Lowe, Nathan.  Darvish was posted, but that doesn't change the fact he came with a 50 million posting fee (purchase), and then 50 Mil to sign.  There is also Leonys Martin who went to the highest bidder as an International FA..  Age-wise, the Rangers starting 9 only has three players who enter their age 30 season (Andrus 24, Martin 25, and Moreland 27).   Everyone else will be playing in their age 31 or older season.  Their pitching staff on the other hand is much more youthful.

 

The Angels as a whole seem to have a lot of guys right smack in the middle of their "traditional" primes (27-31), but they really do need to spend the next couple years getting the farm system turned around or they will in fact find themselves in the same situation the Yankees find themselves in come 2015.  Cron, RG, and Cowart could go a long way's towards helping the farm system's position player ranks, but the lack of pitching needs to be addressed.

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