Ervin looking to sign 1 year deal before Opening Day

[arch stanton]

Is it possible to do sign and trade? Maybe we could work something out with KC to sign him and trade him to us for cash and low level prospects that would get them to forget about the 15th pick in this draft. Cash can be very convincing.

[ukyah]

Ukyah, if they sign him you can always trade someone for minor league solid prospect depth. I would venture to say that the draft is such a crap shoot that you'd be better off trading for a minor leaguer that has proven his worth as a prospect. Remember that Callaspo got us Green who was a top 15 pick. I'm not saying Green is great I'm just saying that if you trade Howie or Aybar you could expect a solid prospect or two that are close to being ready.

 

 

i 100% disagree with you strad, and although the draft is difficult to assess it's not a crapshoot as some would like to believe. first round talents are first round talents because of tangible attributes. you don't trade them away or relinquish their rights for anything less than a terrific young star FA. all the evidence is on my side.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

Is it possible to do sign and trade? Maybe we could work something out with KC to sign him and trade him to us for cash and low level prospects that would get them to forget about the 15th pick in this draft. Cash can be very convincing.

You can't do that in MLB.

[YouthofToday]

I wouldn't be opposed to signing Ervin to a 1 year deal less than $8 million. Yes, we lose the pick. However, presuming he doesn't suck we offer him a QO after the season and get a pick, albeit 10-20 slots lower in the 2015 draft versus the 2014 draft.

[LAAMike]

I see that Ervin fired his agent and is negotiating on his own with a 1yr/14 million deal eminent with an AL team. 

[tdawg87]

It isn't just the first round pick, it's the slot money that comes along with it. If they sign Santana, that pick and that money are gone, leaving them without their best pick in the draft, and with less money to sign their other picks.

 

That wasn't much of an issue in 2013 but I'd say that was an anomaly. It's unlikely they sign all but one pick again.

[Sherlock31]

Yes, the Angels doesn't have much pitching depth, but Ervin is not the answer either.

 

Ervin made 95 starts in the past 3 years, he went 29W-35L  30%, Weaver made 87 starts, went 49W-21L  56%, Wilson made 101 starts, went 46W-24L 45%.

 

If I am the GM, I am not gonna give up a 1st for a pitcher who can only win 30% of his starts.

 

Unless the Angels are signing a legit #2, otherwise it's not worth the pick.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

He's signing with Toronto.

[gotbeer]

Blue Jays To Sign Ervin Santana

[Coachbulldog]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/ervin-santana-seeks-to-sign-one-year-deal-before-opening-day.html

 

I wonder if you could put language in a contract preventing a team from making a qualifying offer in this case?

 

According to an exchange of tweets I had with Ken Rosenthal, it is not possible for this clause to be written into the contract.

 

https://twitter.com/SLBeesFan/status/441972089667338240

[GoodTimesGoneBad]

I really hope the O's sign him. I'd like to see them beat up on the Yankees and make them miss the playoffs again.

[CaliAngel]

We need pitching and we don't have it.

I would also give up a draft pick to not throw away ANOTHER season, which unless the staff we currently has outperformes the crap out of everyone's expectations, has been the weakest part of our team for the past 3 years.

[NrM]

I think making the playoffs is more valuable than a first round pick.  The Angels don't look like a playoff team right now.

 

Hopefully they find another starter before the season starts.

[Halofan]

Glad we didn't sign Santana and lose the draft pick. I know we need pitching but the Angels have stuck to their guns about not losing a first round pick . Might as well see it through at this point.

[mrwicked]

 

His agent is the one that hosed him, not the system.  

 

Rosenthal: Ervin Santana wants more than $100 million

 

 

im sure he had to sign something to turn down the QO; those people are there to advise.

its still his call.

but yeah i ultimately agree with your point - bad advice by his agent.

sucks for him.  

[Vegas Halo Fan]

i 100% disagree with you strad, and although the draft is difficult to assess it's not a crapshoot as some would like to believe. first round talents are first round talents because of tangible attributes. you don't trade them away or relinquish their rights for anything less than a terrific young star FA. all the evidence is on my side.

 

I don't think so. I checked the 2009 draft, the draft that Mike Trout was part of. Here are the first round draft picks that year. Besides Trout and Steven Strasburg, how many has anyone even heard of?

 

 

1 Stephen Strasburg Washington Nationals Right-handed pitcher San Diego State

2 Dustin Ackley Seattle Mariners Outfielder North Carolina

3 Donavan Tate San Diego Padres Outfielder Cartersville High School (GA)

4 Tony Sanchez Pittsburgh Pirates Catcher Boston College

5 Matt Hobgood Baltimore Orioles Right-handed pitcher Norco High School (CA)

6 Zack Wheeler San Francisco Giants Right-handed pitcher East Paulding High School (GA)

7 Mike Minor Atlanta Braves Left-handed pitcher Vanderbilt

8 Mike Leake Cincinnati Reds Right-handed pitcher Arizona State

9 Jacob Turner Detroit Tigers Right-handed pitcher Westminster Christian Academy (MO)

10 Drew Storen Washington Nationals[Compensation 1] Right-handed pitcher Stanford

11 Tyler Matzek Colorado Rockies Left-handed pitcher Capistrano Valley High School (CA)

12 Aaron Crow Kansas City Royals Right-handed pitcher Fort Worth Cats/Missouri

13 Grant Green Oakland Athletics Shortstop Southern California

14 Matt Purke* Texas Rangers Left-handed pitcher Klein High School (TX)

15 Alex White Cleveland Indians Right-handed pitcher North Carolina

16 Bobby Borchering Arizona Diamondbacks Third baseman Bishop Verot High School (FL)

17 A. J. Pollock Arizona Diamondbacks[Compensation 2] Outfielder Notre Dame

18 Chad James Florida Marlins Left-handed pitcher Yukon High School (OK)

19 Shelby Miller St. Louis Cardinals Right-handed pitcher Brownwood High School (TX)

20 Chad Jenkins Toronto Blue Jays Right-handed pitcher Kennesaw State

21 Jiovanni Mier Houston Astros Shortstop Bonita High School (CA)

22 Kyle Gibson Minnesota Twins Right-handed pitcher Missouri

23 Jared Mitchell Chicago White Sox Outfielder Louisiana State

24 Randal Grichuk Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim[Compensation 3] Outfielder Lamar Consolidated High School (TX)

25 Mike Trout Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim[Compensation 4] Outfielder Millville Senior High School (NJ)

26 Eric Arnett Milwaukee Brewers Right-handed pitcher Indiana

27 Nick Franklin Seattle Mariners[Compensation 5] Shortstop Lake Brantley High School (FL)

28 Reymond Fuentes Boston Red Sox Outfielder Fernando Callejo High School (P.R.)

29 Slade Heathcott New York Yankees[Compensation 6] Outfielder Texas High School (TX)

30 LeVon Washington* Tampa Bay Rays Second baseman Buchholz High School (FL)

31 Brett Jackson Chicago Cubs Outfielder California

32 Tim Wheeler Colorado Rockies[Compensation 7]    Outfielder    Sacramento State

Edited March 9, 2014 by Vegas Halo Fan

[Homebrewer]

how many has anyone even heard of?

 

I counted 14 and I am not a big minor league follower. Most of those either have been, or are expected to, make a difference to a  big league club this season.

[YouthofToday]

Thing is, the kids that hit provide more than $60 million of in-the-money production for at least 6 seasons. 6.6 if you play the service time clock right.

That is not a false stat.

[Tank]

I'd sign him for one year.

[Angel Oracle]

All I know is, the Cards turned letting Pujols go into Michael Wacha with our 1st round pick in 2012.

Best to NOT use the solid draft pick to sign an inconsistent pitcher like Every-other Year Erv.