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Breakout Years


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I was wondering if any baseball history buffs older than I could think of any huge breakout years in the 70's or 80's or before. Unfortunately I'm very skeptical about guys like Chris Davis and Jose Bautista who just blow up out of nowhere and have monster seasons. I just want to know if there were seasons like this before steroids became part of the conversation.

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I was wondering if any baseball history buffs older than I could think of any huge breakout years in the 70's or 80's or before. Unfortunately I'm very skeptical about guys like Chris Davis and Jose Bautista who just blow up out of nowhere and have monster seasons. I just want to know if there were seasons like this before steroids became part of the conversation.

 

Are you asking about guys that busted out and stayed great or guys that just had flukish seasons?  There have always been guys who had fluke seasons when compared to their career numbers.

 

If you go here -- http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/mvp_cya.shtml click on the V (voting) in the MVP seasons, you'll likely find a lot of guys that had those "one of" seasons.

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Also, a considerable improvement in hitting isn't always indicative of steroid use. Chris Davis has always had tremendous power, hence the nickname Crush. He just couldn't make contact for the life of him and owes his success to hitting off a tee.

I know. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but he looked like a completely different player with the bat last year especially hitting the ball the other way. When I saw him hit with Texas, I never thought he would do much of anything

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Yeah, I think one of the biggest things with Chris Davis last year was the fact that he wasn't just willing to go the other way. He was looking to go the other way. And Camden Yards is a lot like Citizens Bank Park. I think Davis will put up similar seasons to Ryan Howard's 4-year peak for the next few years.

 

Dwight Evans developed more power in the 2nd half of his career.

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I think Rick Cerone has a big year then went back to being Rick Cerone.  I remember Tom Paciorek having a big power year around 82 or so...   I think Phil Bradly went apeshit for a year or two then faded.

 

Can't really vividly remember guys on other teams prior to 84-85 and by then, the PED era was kinda on it's way in.

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whats the point to this... finding more steroids?  got news for you its been in the game since the 70s or before so... why not go all the way back to Maris?

 

So you think that if a player had a breakout year, it was because of roids...regardless of era?

 

I strongly disagree. There are countless reasons why a player can string together a season that is an outlier of the career norm. There are HOFers that had a bad year during their prime and there are journeymen players that put together a HOF season. Baseball is mostly an inconsistent sport and many times there isn't a clear explanation.

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Its seems people are talking about two things:

 

1) Breakout seasons later in a career which began a new level of ability (e.g. Dwight Evans later in his career)

2) Fluke seasons that were far outside the typical player's level, before or after (e.g. Norm Cash in 1961, or Darin Erstad in 2000).

 

Cash was actually a very good player - similar to Tim Salmon, but healthier. But in 1961 he had one of the greatest seasons ever, at 10.2 fWAR - almost twice that of his second highest season, 5.2.

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So you think that if a player had a breakout year, it was because of roids...regardless of era?

 

I strongly disagree. There are countless reasons why a player can string together a season that is an outlier of the career norm. There are HOFers that had a bad year during their prime and there are journeymen players that put together a HOF season. Baseball is mostly an inconsistent sport and many times there isn't a clear explanation.

 

i did not say or imply that, at all.. i was asking the point of the question.

however, the assertion that the roid era didnt start till the 80s and 90s is silly in and of itself, i knew guys suing them in the late 70s early 80s in HS... to think baseball was immune for another decade plus is folly.

 

Fluke seasons happen... all too true... thats part of what i hate in all this is that anyone that has a good year is suspect.. expecially everyone that o have watched most of my adult life who has suddenly been thrown under the bus

 

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