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Go Big or Go Home?
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Sign a Big Bat (Fielder/Pujols)?ettin
Sign a Starting Pitcher (Wilson)?ettin
Trade for a Big Bat (Zimmerman/Hanley/Wright)?ettin
Trade for a Starting Pitcher (Lincecum)?ettin
Do NOT sign a Type 'A' FA period?ettin
Make modest signings/upgrades to save Draft Picks?ettin
Go into a full rebuilding process to contend in 2013-2015?ettin
Do absolutely nothing?ettin
Big Bat, SP, RPGambit92
Go HomeInsideThePark
Fritz TooELEVEN
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ettin
Posted 2011-11-05 12:31 PM (#1492641)
Subject: Go Big or Go Home?



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This off season doesn't offer a great selection of Free Agents. It seems you either have to pay big bucks (and draft picks) or make a decision to stand pat/tinker with the line up.

The Angels appear to be at a crossroads, having to decide to go big or go home. What do you think?
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Richard
Posted 2011-11-05 12:44 PM (#1492648 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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Go Big.

Offense
4th Starter
RP

All this talk about having this amazing 3 ace staff means nothing if the team can't get into the postseason.

Edited by Richard 2011-11-05 12:45 PM
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ettin
Posted 2011-11-05 12:44 PM (#1492649 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: RE: Go Big or Go Home?



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ettin - 2011-11-05 12:31 PM

This off season doesn't offer a great selection of Free Agents. It seems you either have to pay big bucks (and draft picks) or make a decision to stand pat/tinker with the line up.

The Angels appear to be at a crossroads, having to decide to go big or go home. What do you think?


For the record I chose sign a big bat (Fielder in particular) because the draft class next year isn't particularly strong and I say lose draft picks now and once we have Fielder we can begin rebuilding our farm through trades/modest upgrades starting NEXT off season. I say go big and then settle in with a contending team (Weaver, Haren, Fielder, Bourjos, Trout, et. al.).
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Poozy01
Posted 2011-11-05 1:09 PM (#1492661 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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if only the Angels went into rebuild mode for 2011. They would have so much money to spend and so many options.
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Taylor
Posted 2011-11-05 1:24 PM (#1492673 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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Sign every free agent out there. It's not my money so I don't care.
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colt4405
Posted 2011-11-05 2:10 PM (#1492692 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



Do absolutely nothing so people here can still have something to b*tch about
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KMo34
Posted 2011-11-05 2:18 PM (#1492695 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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I wish hanley was available, we could trade for him and move him to 3rd. Too bad he won't be with the Marlins moving into a new stadium, the marlins can't rebuild. They need to get people in the stadium and they won't be able to do that if they rebuild.
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Reveille1984
Posted 2011-11-05 3:17 PM (#1492724 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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I'd say honestly the only real "ALL OUT" option we should consider is Fielder, but even that isn't obviously ideal for us given both our financial and personnel situation. We'd probably have to trade Trumbo to make it work if Morales ends up being healthy, or else we'll have Fielder, Morales and Trumbo on all competing for playtime in the same positions. Not to mention the logjam already with the outfield, making it even worse if we have to start playing Trumbo in RF to get him in the lineup.
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Vegas Halo Fan
Posted 2011-11-05 4:56 PM (#1492770 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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About the only free agents who would make any impact would bog us down with huge contracts for the next 7-8 years. Wells for four is bad enough.
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Ten Ocho Recon Scout
Posted 2011-11-05 5:25 PM (#1492775 - in reply to #1492673)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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bumpygrimes - 2011-11-05 1:24 PM

Sign every free agent out there. It's not my money so I don't care.
this reminds me of the jg wentworth commercials.
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Ten Ocho Recon Scout
Posted 2011-11-05 5:34 PM (#1492778 - in reply to #1492770)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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Vegas Halo Fan - 2011-11-05 4:56 PM

About the only free agents who would make any impact would bog us down with huge contracts for the next 7-8 years. Wells for four is bad enough.
thats probably true, but thats pretty much how it is now. 5, 10 years ago, studs were available every winter, because deals basically lasted 4 years. Then manny signed with boston. And arod signed with texas. That ushered in the current era of bloated, long term deals. So today, kust about every player of substance is seeking 5 years minimum.

So you have to decide whats worse, 4 good and 3 mediocre years from a plus player? Or 3 to 4 years of decent years from a sub-star player? Weve shot ourselves paying star money to the latter. We need to sign a star player for once. Tex would have been that guy. Hed be an expensive DH the last year or two, bit were usually good enough overall that one or two guys like that makes us a legit WS contender.
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slegnaog
Posted 2011-11-05 6:09 PM (#1492786 - in reply to #1492724)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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Reveille1984 - 2011-11-05 3:17 PM

I'd say honestly the only real "ALL OUT" option we should consider is Fielder, but even that isn't obviously ideal for us given both our financial and personnel situation. We'd probably have to trade Trumbo to make it work if Morales ends up being healthy, or else we'll have Fielder, Morales and Trumbo on all competing for playtime in the same positions. Not to mention the logjam already with the outfield, making it even worse if we have to start playing Trumbo in RF to get him in the lineup.


Signing Fielder is doable, the contract can be set up in the Angels' favor as money comes off the books. And if that does happen, the trade chips are there with Trumbo, Bourjous, Izzy, Callaspo. Not saying those guys should all be moved, but any combination could be moved to address 3B or a fifth starter for the rotation.

In that type of scenario Bourjous would be replaced by Trout. Trumbo would be replaced by Fielder. Izzy would be replaced by Amarista who can play OF as well. Callaspo would be replaced by the 3B we traded for. We'd have to give up some minor league talent as well, but whatever.

The beauty of FAs is they replace lesser options which become trade chips.
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Ten Ocho Recon Scout
Posted 2011-11-05 6:23 PM (#1492791 - in reply to #1492786)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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Yep. I like trumbo, but would trade him for pitching if fielder came here.
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Peaches
Posted 2011-11-06 3:40 PM (#1493199 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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Zimmerman is not on the table. Flat out.

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ettin
Posted 2011-11-06 4:31 PM (#1493240 - in reply to #1493199)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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Peaches - 2011-11-06 3:40 PM


Zimmerman is not on the table. Flat out.



BTW, anyone is available for the right price, even Zimmerman and Trout. However I do generally agree that Zimmerman would be a difficult acquire and may not be worth it. I was just throwing names out in the middle of the arena.
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halomatt
Posted 2011-11-06 4:36 PM (#1493242 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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I said "rebuild." I know it's not popular and the evidence is there that this team isn't far off. They DID win 86 games last year. However, there's a lot of old, bloated players on this team. The peak years guys don't appear to be that special. Aside from Trout and Bourjos and maybe Segura, I don't see any top flight talent coming soon. This team is not in a great position to improve via trade and the money flow's been shut off with the Wellls deal. That leaves small money moves on average or older, riskier players. It's a tough position to succeed in when the team the Angels are chasing just had back-to-back appearances in the World Series and still has a wave of talent about to hit.

It may be a bit pessimistic, but I just don't see how the flaws of a poor offense and hitting philosophy can be papered over for another year.
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Soto Speaks
Posted 2011-11-06 5:04 PM (#1493260 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?




Location: Irvine
Nothing will change. Same slappy offense with Sosh and Hatcher running the show.
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Scott34
Posted 2011-11-06 8:21 PM (#1493357 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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I say go home!
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Wallerrrr
Posted 2011-11-07 8:01 AM (#1493589 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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sign a bat
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ettin
Posted 2011-12-08 9:30 AM (#1514422 - in reply to #1492649)
Subject: RE: Go Big or Go Home?



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ettin - 2011-11-05 12:44 PM

ettin - 2011-11-05 12:31 PM

This off season doesn't offer a great selection of Free Agents. It seems you either have to pay big bucks (and draft picks) or make a decision to stand pat/tinker with the line up.

The Angels appear to be at a crossroads, having to decide to go big or go home. What do you think?


For the record I chose sign a big bat (Fielder in particular) because the draft class next year isn't particularly strong and I say lose draft picks now and once we have Fielder we can begin rebuilding our farm through trades/modest upgrades starting NEXT off season. I say go big and then settle in with a contending team (Weaver, Haren, Fielder, Bourjos, Trout, et. al.).


GO BIG! BOOM! Booyah! Woot! wHoOooOoOOooooOOooOOoO hOooOooooOOOoOOOoooOOoO!!!!!!!!!!
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SO CAL HALOS FAN
Posted 2011-12-10 5:16 PM (#1518478 - in reply to #1492641)
Subject: Re: Go Big or Go Home?



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nato2k
Posted 2011-12-07 8:46 AM (#1511318 - in reply to #1511310)
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Pujols negotiations are ongoing.


Jon Heyman
Its pujols camp meeting with #cardinals now, to clarify. Stl will try to close deal.


For what it is worth I really hope the Angels do not sign Pujols unless it is at some stupid discount like 5/100 or something. Which we all know has less than a 0% chance of happening.
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