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Richard
Posted 2009-12-10 6:49 PM (#722814)
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Just said on mason and ireland
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Richard
Posted 2009-12-10 6:53 PM (#722816 - in reply to #722814)
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Also said jays are looking for a 5 player package with our 2 best young players(aybar wood/howie) plus 3 other players
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bloodbrother
Posted 2009-12-10 6:54 PM (#722818 - in reply to #722814)
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And with that, buh bye Halladay. Time to focus on re-signing Big John and Bay
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Posted 2009-12-10 6:54 PM (#722819 - in reply to #722816)
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Richard517 - 12/10/2009 6:53 PM

Also said jays are looking for a 5 player package with our 2 best young players(aybar wood/howie) plus 3 other players


Uh, yeah. Good luck getting anything close to that. Ridiculous. They'll get stuck with him, trade him at the deadline, and get about 10% of the value they could have.
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GlenM
Posted 2009-12-10 6:55 PM (#722820 - in reply to #722814)
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I'd definitely trade Mason and Ireland for Halladay. I'd even through in Mathis.
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tense2
Posted 2009-12-10 6:55 PM (#722821 - in reply to #722814)
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If thats TRUE....see ya.
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bloodbrother
Posted 2009-12-10 6:56 PM (#722822 - in reply to #722819)
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jsnpritchett - 12/10/2009 6:54 PM
Richard517 - 12/10/2009 6:53 PM Also said jays are looking for a 5 player package with our 2 best young players(aybar wood/howie) plus 3 other players
Uh, yeah. Good luck getting anything close to that. Ridiculous. They'll get stuck with him, trade him at the deadline, and get about 10% of the value they could have.

 

Yup. Very stupid. Not even Johan Santana brought in a haul like that, and he was much, much younger at the time(going on 29 years old while Halladay is going on 33) and probably better than Halladay



Edited by bloodbrother 2009-12-10 6:59 PM
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tense2
Posted 2009-12-10 6:58 PM (#722823 - in reply to #722820)
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Tin00can - 12/10/2009 6:55 PM

I'd definitely trade Mason and Ireland for Halladay. I'd even through in Mathis.


Yep...don't trust those two numb skulks to get anything right, particularly when it comes to baseball. Trade em.
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m0nkey
Posted 2009-12-10 7:00 PM (#722824 - in reply to #722814)
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well that sucks. trade all 710 espn radio people except andrew siciliano and mychal thompson
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Bruce Nye
Posted 2009-12-10 7:00 PM (#722825 - in reply to #722814)
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Let's just give the BJs the ownership of the franchise and start from there.

Ridiculous - don't they know the price is only going down for the Doc?
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sofa
Posted 2009-12-10 7:00 PM (#722826 - in reply to #722814)
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No way.
Just sign Lackey.
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Mile High Dreams
Posted 2009-12-10 7:01 PM (#722827 - in reply to #722824)
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m0nkey - 12/10/2009 7:00 PM well that sucks. trade all 710 espn radio people except andrew siciliano and mychal thompson

 

Why? They suck too.

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Chuck Richter
Posted 2009-12-10 7:01 PM (#722828 - in reply to #722814)
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None of the players the Twins got back for Johan Santana were impact type players or high end prospects. The key player "Carlos Gomez" was a bust for the Twins thus far.

If the Blue Jays turned down Aybar, Saunders and Bourjos, I would say we're done and move one. Sign Lackey and continue to shape the roster going forward with smaller deals.
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LightTheHalo
Posted 2009-12-10 7:03 PM (#722829 - in reply to #722814)
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Go pound sand, Blue Jays.
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bloodbrother
Posted 2009-12-10 7:05 PM (#722830 - in reply to #722828)
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Chuck - 12/10/2009 7:01 PM None of the players the Twins got back for Johan Santana were impact type players or high end prospects. The key player "Carlos Gomez" was a bust for the Twins thus far. If the Blue Jays turned down Aybar, Saunders and Bourjos, I would say we're done and move one. Sign Lackey and continue to shape the roster going forward with smaller deals.

 

Yeah I knew Carlos Gomez was the main piece, went back to check the rest and holy crap... Twins are left with absolutely nothing from that deal. Saunders/Aybar/Bourjos blows that Mets offer out of the water

Jays are being ridiculous with their demands and it will only bite them in the end, similar to what Bowden did with Alphonso Soriano in Washington where he ended up not even trading him because he asked for too much. Jays are looking to be going that same route at this rate. I hope the Angels don't even bother with trying for Halladay from here on out, and by their track record they won't. They made a legit offer, Jays apparently want more. Time to move on.



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Posted 2009-12-10 7:07 PM (#722831 - in reply to #722814)
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Richard
Posted 2009-12-10 7:08 PM (#722832 - in reply to #722829)
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sorry just got home to my pc...

mason and ireland opened with dodger talk blah blah....shifted attention towards the halos and roy halladay, and basically said the jays had turned down the offer and are hoping to get that same 5 player offer they had gotten last year at the deadline from boston or philly i believe it was. Mason and ireland were very shocked as was gammons(who is high on aybar). He also said something like there are people in the jays management are comfortable with letting halladay walk at the end of the year and letting the fans know they tried re-signing him but HE chose to leave and getting 2 picks in the process.

Edited by Richard517 2009-12-10 7:11 PM
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Chuck Richter
Posted 2009-12-10 7:14 PM (#722833 - in reply to #722832)
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Richard517 - 12/10/2009 7:08 PM

sorry just got home to my pc...

mason and ireland opened with dodger talk blah blah....shifted attention towards the halos and roy halladay, and basically said the jays had turned down the offer and are hoping to get that same 5 player offer they had gotten last year at the deadline from boston or philly i believe it was. Mason and ireland were very shocked as was gammons(who is high on aybar). He also said something like there are people in the jays management are comfortable with letting halladay walk at the end of the year and letting the fans know they tried re-signing him but HE chose to leave and getting 2 picks in the process.


Ha. Two picks or two young solid major league ready players in Saunders and Aybar, plus Bourjos who could play CF for the Jays NOW and run circles around Vernon Wells. That package is much better than two 1st round gambles.
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Posted 2009-12-10 7:20 PM (#722835 - in reply to #722816)
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Richard517 - 12/10/2009 6:53 PM

Also said jays are looking for a 5 player package with our 2 best young players(aybar wood/howie) plus 3 other players


Cue Tom Hanks' laugh from "The Money Pit"
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Posted 2009-12-10 7:23 PM (#722836 - in reply to #722835)
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lol, Toronto is the worst negotiating franchise I've ever seen. Remember the train wreck last July? Wow....really, wow.
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Posted 2009-12-10 7:28 PM (#722838 - in reply to #722814)
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Wow The Blue Jays have gone Koo Koo!
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Posted 2009-12-10 7:28 PM (#722839 - in reply to #722814)
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If the Angels don't sign Lackey. I hope we don't get stupid desperate.
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Ordos
Posted 2009-12-10 7:29 PM (#722841 - in reply to #722814)
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So... moving on. If they re-sign Lackey now, think there will be a trade for a bat?
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Chonito
Posted 2009-12-10 7:47 PM (#722845 - in reply to #722814)
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Wait.

Give me a sec to adjust my stance and bend over.

There. That's better.

Now,

KISS MY FAT ASS TORONTO!!!!!

 

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mikecheck1212
Posted 2009-12-10 7:50 PM (#722846 - in reply to #722816)
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Richard517 - 12/10/2009 6:53 PM

Also said jays are looking for a 5 player package with our 2 best young players(aybar wood/howie) plus 3 other players


sounds reasonable, how bout we give them Weaver, Morales, Abyar, Napoli, Sciosca and the Rancho Cucamunga Quakes. Think that will be enough?
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Jay L
Posted 2009-12-10 7:51 PM (#722847 - in reply to #722814)
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Other than on Mason and Ireland, has anyone actually seen/heard/read about this rumor?
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Posted 2009-12-10 8:00 PM (#722851 - in reply to #722814)
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Posted 2009-12-10 8:08 PM (#722853 - in reply to #722851)
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10:00pm: Angels GM Tony Reagins didn't comment on the reported offer of Saunders, Aybar and Bourjos, but two sources shot the rumor down when Mike DiGiovanna of the LA Times asked them about it.

Reagins said the Blue Jays have targeted Saunders, Bourjos and Mike Napoli. It's even "possible" that the deal could be expanded to send more Blue Jays
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m0nkey
Posted 2009-12-10 8:15 PM (#722860 - in reply to #722814)
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so are they reworking it then?
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mrwicked
Posted 2009-12-10 8:15 PM (#722862 - in reply to #722814)
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they shot it down and asked for gmjr to be included.
just suck it up and agree reagins.
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m0nkey
Posted 2009-12-10 8:17 PM (#722864 - in reply to #722814)
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i dont know, wicked. i can see where reagins is coming from. gmjr has been the heart and soul of this team for the past three years, so i can see his reluctance
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Joboo
Posted 2009-12-10 8:22 PM (#722865 - in reply to #722814)
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Posted 2009-12-10 8:32 PM (#722871 - in reply to #722814)
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If Toronto could not get that kind of deal last year, how do they expect to get it for only 1 year??
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Joboo
Posted 2009-12-10 8:33 PM (#722872 - in reply to #722853)
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st1ckboy - 12/10/2009 8:08 PM

Reagins said the Blue Jays have targeted Saunders, Bourjos and Mike Napoli.


This is a misquote. In the original LA Times article Reagins doesn't "say" this. It's just a statement wedged in between two quotes by Reagins. Not sure what DiGiovanna was trying to do, but here's the uninterpreted quote from the article:

When asked about the rumor Thursday, Reagins chuckled.

"I have no reaction," he said. "There are a lot of rumors in this environment, a lot of things that get thrown around. It's up to someone else to decipher them, not me."

The Blue Jays have targeted Saunders, catcher Mike Napoli and Bourjos, among others. Reagins said it's "possible" a deal for Halladay could be expanded to include other Blue Jays coming to Anaheim.

"We've talked about a lot of things," Reagins said of his discussions with Toronto. "They have a lot of pieces that are attractive."

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notherhalo
Posted 2009-12-10 8:46 PM (#722885 - in reply to #722814)
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dont know why some of you are so bent out of shape about this

it was a decent offer but they passed
I thought they are looking to be competitive in 2012-13 when Saunders and Aybar would be in FAgency or so

Theres still a few months left in the offseason and they havent really heard any other serious offers, I think
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Eric
Posted 2009-12-10 8:48 PM (#722890 - in reply to #722814)
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A couple things...

1. Peter Gammons hasn't been right about anything for years.

2. It's possible the Blue Jays turned the deal down because they want minor leaguers and not major leaguers. Which makes sense.. If you deal Halladay you want players for 6 years not 3 (like Saunder, Aybar & Napoli would be)
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Posted 2009-12-10 9:00 PM (#722902 - in reply to #722828)
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Chuck - 12/10/2009 7:01 PM

None of the players the Twins got back for Johan Santana were impact type players or high end prospects. The key player "Carlos Gomez" was a bust for the Twins thus far.



Who is now in Milwaukee!
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Scott34
Posted 2009-12-10 9:03 PM (#722906 - in reply to #722890)
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Eric - 12/10/2009 8:48 PM

A couple things...

1. Peter Gammons hasn't been right about anything for years.

2. It's possible the Blue Jays turned the deal down because they want minor leaguers and not major leaguers. Which makes sense.. If you deal Halladay you want players for 6 years not 3 (like Saunder, Aybar & Napoli would be)


Exactly.
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Posted 2009-12-10 9:10 PM (#722909 - in reply to #722814)
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"We've talked about a lot of things," Reagins said of his discussions with Toronto. "They have a lot of pieces that are attractive."

So what pieces besides Halladay are attractive? Adam Lind is a big bat with a good avg and a high strike out rate. Other than that, I'm not sure who TR is talking about.





quote copied from DiGi article http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-angels11-2009dec11,0,6508562.st...
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Dude von Dudenstein
Posted 2009-12-10 9:19 PM (#722913 - in reply to #722814)
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Maybe they turned it down because tony asked for more than just halladay.

maybe a.hill a.lind or overbay
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Posted 2009-12-10 9:21 PM (#722914 - in reply to #722913)
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Rock the KAZbah - 12/10/2009 9:19 PM

Maybe they turned it down because tony asked for more than just halladay.

maybe a.hill a.lind or overbay


You could be onto something there
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Posted 2009-12-10 9:23 PM (#722916 - in reply to #722913)
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Rock the KAZbah - 12/10/2009 9:19 PM

Maybe they turned it down because tony asked for more than just halladay. maybe a.hill a.lind or overbay


sorry, but that really flies in the face of our deeply held belief that all teams try to fleece us in trade talks.

cut it out.
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Chonito
Posted 2009-12-10 9:28 PM (#722918 - in reply to #722853)
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st1ckboy - 12/10/2009 8:08 PM 10:00pm: Angels GM Tony Reagins didn't comment on the reported offer of Saunders, Aybar and Bourjos, but two sources shot the rumor down when Mike DiGiovanna of the LA Times asked them about it. Reagins said the Blue Jays have targeted Saunders, Bourjos and Mike Napoli. It's even "possible" that the deal could be expanded to send more Blue Jays
.

 

Reagins said it's "possible" a deal for Halladay could be expanded to include other Blue Jays coming to Anaheim.

The more I think about it the more I think the deal has been expanded. What I can't figure out is who the heck the other Toronto player is that could be in the discussion. Could it be a RP? 

 

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Posted 2009-12-10 9:29 PM (#722919 - in reply to #722918)
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Chonito - 12/10/2009 9:28 PM

st1ckboy - 12/10/2009 8:08 PM 10:00pm: Angels GM Tony Reagins didn't comment on the reported offer of Saunders, Aybar and Bourjos, but two sources shot the rumor down when Mike DiGiovanna of the LA Times asked them about it. Reagins said the Blue Jays have targeted Saunders, Bourjos and Mike Napoli. It's even "possible" that the deal could be expanded to send more Blue Jays
.

 

Reagins said it's "possible" a deal for Halladay could be expanded to include other Blue Jays coming to Anaheim.

The more I think about it the more I think the deal has been expanded. What I can't figure out is who the heck the other Toronto player is that could be in the discussion. Could it be a RP? 

 



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Chonito
Posted 2009-12-10 9:29 PM (#722920 - in reply to #722814)
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There's just been too much 'hinting' around that the deal has expanded.
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Posted 2009-12-10 9:35 PM (#722923 - in reply to #722814)
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Seth Everett of ESPN who covered the Winter Meetings said this afternoon on 710 am that from everything he has heard directly from GM's there that a deal would happen that sent Halladay to the Angels. So (surprise!) I guess it's all about who or what you choose to believe. I think I've learned enough from Hot Stoves past that you just have to "wait and see". Otherwise, you end up on the yo-yo. Then again, there wouldn't be anything to talk about there.
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m0nkey
Posted 2009-12-10 9:40 PM (#722924 - in reply to #722923)
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what if i cant wait?
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Posted 2009-12-10 9:42 PM (#722925 - in reply to #722924)
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m0nkey - 12/10/2009 9:40 PM

what if i cant wait?


Talk to Stevie and see if she can't hook you up with a little somethin' somethin'

http://vodpod.com/watch/1225530-stevie-nicks-i-cant-wait
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Dude von Dudenstein
Posted 2009-12-10 9:44 PM (#722926 - in reply to #722814)
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3) How long is Halladay willing to play for the Angels, if at all?

We mentioned a Tweet from Will Carroll (of Baseball Prospectus) last week. Said Carroll: "Halladay to Angels? Nope. Told that thing about training in Florida is still 'absolute.' " The Angels, of course, train in Arizona, as do the Dodgers, who have also been loosely connected to a potential Halladay deal.

4) We can't help but wonder if a potential trade to the Angels is why Halladay's agent, when asked if an extension would be required for his client to waive his no-trade clause, keeps insisting that decision will be made "on a case-by-case basis."

Perhaps Halladay, if no better options present themselves, would be willing to accept a deal to the Angels, but only to play out the final year of his contract (ie. No extension), and then become a free agent and find a team that fits all of his preferences.

If that is indeed the case, and Halladay refuses to consider an extension that would keep him in L.A., you have to wonder if the Angels would be willing to give up as much, or even close to as much, in a deal when they are only getting a one-year rental.






http://bleacherreport.com/articles/306607-is-roy-halladay-this-year...
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Dude von Dudenstein
Posted 2009-12-10 9:46 PM (#722927 - in reply to #722814)
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11:36pm: One baseball source tells Tom Verducci of SI.com that the Phillies have been "very aggressive" in their efforts to obtain Halladay. Apparently the Phils are trying to find the players the Blue Jays want, even if that means looking on other teams.





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